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**GiantBlue76** · 05-15-2012, 10:05 AM

Re: Madden NFL 13 Video - Gameplay With Jim Nantz and Phil Simms In-Game Commentary

Originally posted by BezO

No comment on the commentary. Most of what I would say has been said.

But I don't understand some OS folks. This is a sports video game forum for us to discuss video games. The vid was posted here for us to discuss. Are we not supposed to voice our opinions because it's a WIP?

Is the only acceptable comment, "I'll wait for the retail version before I judge." Maybe next time they can post the vid, make that comment for us & lock the thread.

This ^. I'm baffled at how some people rationalize things. Not attacking, just really baffled. People say that Madden gets the most scrutiny of any game, but I have to disagree. It gets more leeway than any game out there.

Here is the question - if these videos were absolutely awesome, would people be saying the same thing? "Yes, they are great, but let's wait until they have had time to "tune" things before we make judgement." Come on guys, really? Why would you show something asking for feedback if it wasn't what it really is? "Hey guys, I want you to take a look and tell me what you think, but this isn't anything at all like what the final product is going to be like." What good is that? If it's not anything like the final product, why would you ask for feedback?

**Big FN Deal** · 05-15-2012, 10:08 AM

Re: Madden NFL 13 Video - Gameplay With Jim Nantz and Phil Simms In-Game Commentary

It's funny when people take the "what we see is what we get" to the extreme. lol

I completely agree that E3 normally follows that trend, with that build being pretty much what we can expect but not this early. Shopmaster tweeted something about there being like 15 builds of the game so, personally, E3 will be more of point of no return, imo.

That said, when I went back and looked at the video, there is indeed a lot "he" references and seemingly no player names. It made me think back to the commentary thread Chase started. http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2043136672

Originally posted by ChaseB

I saw this brought up a couple times, so I just want to touch on it here. As it relates to generic names, my up-front philosophy is I despise the use of numbers. If I have to pick the lesser of two evils, I'm going with "he" makes the tackle over "number 27" makes the tackle. I don't want either in a perfect world, but at the end of the day, I am a realist and accept we won't get full coverage on every name -- at least not in a way where every name said by the commentators would sound natural and good. Simply inserting "names" into sentences will sound bad on the whole.

Simply put, I would rather use a pronoun in a sentence that then sounds normal rather than plug a player's name into a sentence where it then sounds weird. (You see this in Madden with "ROMO! makes the play" and various other names.) Proper inflection comes first in my book, which means you have to record a player's name in an entire sentence rather than just read from a name bank (for the most part). This takes more time from the voice talent, and thus, you usually will get a bit less player coverage in terms of names said.

The commentary in the video was an improvement, imo, and I think in franchise mode, the storylines will seem more specific. I think people judging the overall effect of the commentary on early builds of Play Now games, is premature. To each their own though.

**BezO** · 05-15-2012, 10:20 AM

Re: Madden NFL 13 Video - Gameplay With Jim Nantz and Phil Simms In-Game Commentary

Originally posted by Big FN Deal

The commentary in the video was an improvement, imo, and I think in franchise mode, the storylines will seem more specific. I think people judging the overall effect of the commentary on early builds of Play Now games, is premature. To each their own though.

Aren't we juding what we see NOW though? Maybe I should just speak for myself, but if I were to voice my opinion of the commentary in the vid, it would be just that, my opinion on the commentary in THIS vid.

Now, I do understand folks feeling like this is what we're going to get because little ever changes from even the earliest vids (not counting rosters, blatant glitches, etc). But we're still talking about what we're seeing now. Isn't that why the vid is posted? Aren't we supposed to be discussing what we like & don't like?

**poster** · 05-15-2012, 10:23 AM

Re: Madden NFL 13 Video - Gameplay With Jim Nantz and Phil Simms In-Game Commentary

What I heard during the gameplay just doesn't sound good enough. It is boring, scripted and lacks the emotion of a real time broadcast.

There has been many a time when they have release a video that makes you shake your head due to how poor it was. Perhaps June 4th has something to do with it, but they seem to think this is really good. Otherwise, it makes no sense to release it.

If names are not said during the announcing of gameplay, that will be awful.

**iamgramps** · 05-15-2012, 10:25 AM

Re: Madden NFL 13 Video - Gameplay With Jim Nantz and Phil Simms In-Game Commentary

Originally posted by CRMosier_LM

You do realize that it was a video about audio and announcing right? They could have pulled that game footage from 2 months ago and put the commentary on it.

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Exactly, I can only assume that during the early stages of development marketing provides the team with dates info will be released, etc. These blogs and video footage could have been prepared months ago, because the blog content doesn't appear to be rushed or thrown together. This leads me to believe alot of this stuff was prepared long before now.

Plus, I don't think this content was to showcase the final version of the game. It was to show us how the game will sound from the booth and on the field. With more info coming out June 4th, I'm sure there is a limit on what they can show. Regardless, everyone is not going to be happy with the game, and people will complain about something. Me personally, I enjoy Madden and look forward to this years version. If the commentary does not work well, I'll just turn it off.

**RynoAid** · 05-15-2012, 10:26 AM

Re: Madden NFL 13 Video - Gameplay With Jim Nantz and Phil Simms In-Game Commentary

Originally posted by bakesalee

Where's Hiroshima?

yee of little faith....

**DeuceDouglas** · 05-15-2012, 10:30 AM

Re: Madden NFL 13 Video - Gameplay With Jim Nantz and Phil Simms In-Game Commentary

Originally posted by BezO

Aren't we juding what we see NOW though? Maybe I should just speak for myself, but if I were to voice my opinion of the commentary in the vid, it would be just that, my opinion on the commentary in THIS vid.

Now, I do understand folks feeling like this is what we're going to get because little ever changes from even the earliest vids (not counting rosters, blatant glitches, etc). But we're still talking about what we're seeing now. Isn't that why the vid is posted? Aren't we supposed to be discussing what we like & don't like?

True, but deeming an entire component as a failure after hearing less than 1% of what it has to offer is a little premature, no?

**ABR173rd** · 05-15-2012, 10:31 AM

Re: Madden NFL 13 Video - Gameplay With Jim Nantz and Phil Simms In-Game Commentary

Originally posted by Big FN Deal

It's funny when people take the "what we see is what we get" to the extreme. lol

I completely agree that E3 normally follows that trend, with that build being pretty much what we can expect but not this early. Shopmaster tweeted something about there being like 15 builds of the game so, personally, E3 will be more of point of no return, imo.

That said, when I went back and looked at the video, there is indeed a lot "he" references and seemingly no player names. It made me think back to the commentary thread Chase started. http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2043136672

The commentary in the video was an improvement, imo, and I think in franchise mode, the storylines will seem more specific. I think people judging the overall effect of the commentary on early builds of Play Now games, is premature. To each their own though.

I just don't get this, it's a total franchise killer as it detracts from the individual players themselves and the franchise's storyline. MLB the Show can do it, NBA2k can do it, so why is it so hard for EA to record all of the names in the game. I noticed on the V-Jax TD and on the Int there was no commentary on either player that made a big play. Using "He" is a cop out in 2012. In the NFL they would have mentioned every player that made a play by name and usually coupled that with some information regarding that player.

It's easy to say yes EA is headed in the right direction, and to some extent I can concede that. But overall from what I've witnessed so far EA is still playing catchup and will be for awhile. Hopefully June 4th has the "updated" commentary...

**jpdavis82** · 05-15-2012, 10:33 AM

Re: Madden NFL 13 Video - Gameplay With Jim Nantz and Phil Simms In-Game Commentary

Just got this tweet from Matt Bialosuknia M13 audio director this morning

@mbialosuknia Pregame commentary was great, but crowd and play by play audio was just like Madden 12 to me

Matt Bialosuknia ‏ @mbialosuknia
@jpdavis1982 Not sure when that OS/Pasta Padre mix was captured but it's way out of date. Stay tuned for updates.

**Smoke6** · 05-15-2012, 10:34 AM

Re: Madden NFL 13 Video - Gameplay With Jim Nantz and Phil Simms In-Game Commentary

Originally posted by poster

What I heard during the gameplay just doesn't sound good enough. It is boring, scripted and lacks the emotion of a real time broadcast.

There has been many a time when they have release a video that makes you shake your head due to how poor it was. Perhaps June 4th has something to do with it, but they seem to think this is really good. Otherwise, it makes no sense to release it.

If names are not said during the announcing of gameplay, that will be awful.

Reminded me of Joe Montana Sports Talk!

**roadman** · 05-15-2012, 10:35 AM

Re: Madden NFL 13 Video - Gameplay With Jim Nantz and Phil Simms In-Game Commentary

Originally posted by jpdavis82

Just got this tweet from Matt Bialosuknia M13 audio director this morning

@mbialosuknia Pregame commentary was great, but crowd and play by play audio was just like Madden 12 to me

Matt Bialosuknia ‏ @mbialosuknia
@jpdavis1982 Not sure when that OS/Pasta Padre mix was captured but it's way out of date. Stay tuned for updates.

And there you have it.

I said earlier in this thread that I saw those plays in April when the first game play was played.

**Smoke6** · 05-15-2012, 10:38 AM

Re: Madden NFL 13 Video - Gameplay With Jim Nantz and Phil Simms In-Game Commentary

Originally posted by ABR173rd

I just don't get this, it's a total franchise killer as it detracts from the individual players themselves and the franchise's storyline. MLB the Show can do it, NBA2k can do it, so why is it so hard for EA to record all of the names in the game. I noticed on the V-Jax TD and on the Int there was no commentary on either player that made a big play. Using "He" is a cop out in 2012. In the NFL they would have mentioned every player that made a play by name and usually coupled that with some information regarding that player.

It's easy to say yes EA is headed in the right direction, and to some extent I can concede that. But overall from what I've witnessed so far EA is still playing catchup and will be for awhile. Hopefully June 4th has the "updated" commentary...

Maybe all this is to actually build up super hype once june 4th rolls around and they show us how they can plug stuff in just like that in so short of time. If not then posting these vids is going to bring out the beasts.

Something big has to happen on june 4th fellas or its just gonna be madden as usual!

**DeuceDouglas** · 05-15-2012, 10:41 AM

Re: Madden NFL 13 Video - Gameplay With Jim Nantz and Phil Simms In-Game Commentary

Originally posted by jpdavis82

Just got this tweet from Matt Bialosuknia M13 audio director this morning

@mbialosuknia Pregame commentary was great, but crowd and play by play audio was just like Madden 12 to me

Matt Bialosuknia ‏ @mbialosuknia
@jpdavis1982 Not sure when that OS/Pasta Padre mix was captured but it's way out of date. Stay tuned for updates.

Makes sense. It's not like EA is actually hyping this particular video. They didn't upload it to their YouTube like the rest and I haven't seen it anywhere but those two places. Seems more like one of those things that gets sent really early on with a "Don't run until x/x/xxxx" note and by then it's completely out of date, just like pretty much everything we've seen thus far.

**Smoke6** · 05-15-2012, 10:45 AM

Re: Madden NFL 13 Video - Gameplay With Jim Nantz and Phil Simms In-Game Commentary

Originally posted by roadman

And there you have it.

I said earlier in this thread that I saw those plays in April when the first game play was played.

And you know what?

This goes against everything EA has ever stated regarding madden right!

"We ran out of time" - After seeing these early vids and impressions and asked if this or that can be changed, these too were supposed early builds!

"Maybe next year" Statements made in early dev cycle of madden every year for the past 8 yrs.

I can go on and on and im sure someone like BIG F can find and post links to all of this. But it baffles me how ALL OF A SUDDEN they can get stuff in this deep into the cycle when they claimed this was never possible before.

So with all that said, this game should frequently stay upto date as far as the missing "tuning" features from last year, stable patches in a timely manner regarding gameplay issues and whatnot.

**SteelerSpartan** · 05-15-2012, 10:50 AM

Re: Madden NFL 13 Video - Gameplay With Jim Nantz and Phil Simms In-Game Commentary

Originally posted by Smoke6

Maybe all this is to actually build up super hype once june 4th rolls around and they show us how they can plug stuff in just like that in so short of time. If not then posting these vids is going to bring out the beasts.

Something big has to happen on june 4th fellas or its just gonna be madden as usual!