Top 5 SFs of all time

[Randombagginz]

Last night me and some friend were talking about the best players of all time and in the nba today. I said LeBron is one of the best to ever play basketball... they said he isn't even top 25 and that he isn't even a top 5 SF all time...
I think LeBron is the best all around SF to ever play, and he still has about 7-8 years to add to his legacy.

Here is a list of players my friends said are better than LeBron (in no order or ranking)
Larry Bird, Elgin Baylor, Julius Erving, James Worthy, Dominique Wilkins, Scottie Pippen, Rick Barry, and John Havlicek.... ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

I was arguing that players back in the 60s to the mid 70s would not make it in the nba today. I just don't see how they could keep up the athleticism of the NBA today, not to mention that fact that the players just werent as good back then as they are today.

My friends said that if LeBron played during the 80s or 90s that he would not make the all star team once...

The worst part is my friends were being serious about this, I just understand the level of hate LeBron gets..
Ok maybe he isn't the best SF ever YET, but his level of basketball talent is something we have never seen before. I can get Larry Bird being higher, as of right now, but cmon the rest?

[daveberg]

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Last night me and some friend were talking about the best players of all time and in the nba today. I said LeBron is one of the best to ever play basketball... they said he isn't even top 25 and that he isn't even a top 5 SF all time...
I think LeBron is the best all around SF to ever play, and he still has about 7-8 years to add to his legacy.

Here is a list of players my friends said are better than LeBron (in no order or ranking)
Larry Bird, Elgin Baylor, Julius Erving, James Worthy, Dominique Wilkins, Scottie Pippen, Rick Barry, and John Havlicek.... ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

I was arguing that players back in the 60s to the mid 70s would not make it in the nba today. I just don't see how they could keep up the athleticism of the NBA today, not to mention that fact that the players just werent as good back then as they are today.

My friends said that if LeBron played during the 80s or 90s that he would not make the all star team once...

The worst part is my friends were being serious about this, I just understand the level of hate LeBron gets..
Ok maybe he isn't the best SF ever YET, but his level of basketball talent is something we have never seen before. I can get Larry Bird being higher, as of right now, but cmon the rest?

Sorry, but I agree with your friends. I'd take a scottie Pippen or Larry Bird over Lebron all day.

Level of talent we haven't seen before? Hmm, personally, Lebron does nothing on the court that makes my jaw drop. And i'm saying that without hate, I just don't find him entertaining. I'd get out of my seat and cheer for a Dr. J double clutch layup, or a Larry Bird last second trey, or a Pippen poster dunk, but whenever I see Lebron play, my honest opinion is 'meh'.

Not to say he isn't an incredible player, he is indeed that, but he does nothing i'd rather see someone else do.

[Randombagginz]

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Sorry, but I agree with your friends. I'd take a scottie Pippen or Larry Bird over Lebron all day.

Level of talent we haven't seen before? Hmm, personally, Lebron does nothing on the court that makes my jaw drop. And i'm saying that without hate, I just don't find him entertaining. I'd get out of my seat and cheer for a Dr. J double clutch layup, or a Larry Bird last second trey, or a Pippen poster dunk, but whenever I see Lebron play, my honest opinion is 'meh'.

Not to say he isn't an incredible player, he is indeed that, but he does nothing i'd rather see someone else do.

I get Bird, but do you honestly think think Pippen is better than LeBron? Pippen would have 0 rings without MJ. Pippen was a defensive beast, but other than that LeBron has him beat in almost every category.

[daveberg]

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I get Bird, but do you honestly think think Pippen is better than LeBron? Pippen would have 0 rings without MJ. Pippen was a defensive beast, but other than that LeBron has him beat in almost every category.

But the same can be said for any superstar - What happens if Bron wins a ring this year? Everyone will say he wouldn't have done it without Bosh and Wade - which is true, it's a team sport and no one man can do it alone, not even MJ.

And again, yes, i'd take pippen over Lebron all day every day. They are both athletic, both played point forward, both defend and rebound well, I'd simply take Pippen on the fact that I'm bias and grew up watching 80's 90's basketball and find it more entertaining than today's game.

[Jet Sufferer]

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I think LeBron is the best all around SF to ever play, and he still has about 7-8 years to add to his legacy.

You take LeBron and 4 clones against Larry Bird and 4 clones and you'll maybe never win a 7 game series with LeBron. Bird running around hitting clutch shots vs. LeBron running around trying to avoid the ball.

Another hundred years or so and we'll be able to test out my clone theory

[unc_kobw]

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I HATE LEBRON, cant stand anything about the guy, hope he never wins a ring, and will never admit to all my friends that like Lebron that I think he is any good.

But in the first 3 quarters of a basketball game, he is the 2nd best SF of all time. Its a very possibility he will pass Bird, if he can start winning some rings.

Basketball today is completely different than what it was 20, 30, 40 years ago. You just dont see many white players in the NBA anymore. Im not being racist, Im white, but African Americans/black people are usually so much more athletic and they have changed the way the game is played. Players were rougher back in the day yea, but thats just because they were allowed to be. The NBA has made so many rules or fines players if they get out of hand today. We have a completely different strength training program too. Players get BIG in the NBA now days. Back then, most people were pretty skinny with a few exceptions.

I dont like Lebron, but I will give him his credit when it needs to be there

[m1ke_nyc]

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Sorry, but I agree with your friends. I'd take a scottie Pippen or Larry Bird over Lebron all day.

Level of talent we haven't seen before? Hmm, personally, Lebron does nothing on the court that makes my jaw drop. And i'm saying that without hate, I just don't find him entertaining. I'd get out of my seat and cheer for a Dr. J double clutch layup, or a Larry Bird last second trey, or a Pippen poster dunk, but whenever I see Lebron play, my honest opinion is 'meh'.

Not to say he isn't an incredible player, he is indeed that, but he does nothing i'd rather see someone else do.

You would get out your seat to cheer for a Pippen poster dunk but you find nothing entertaining about LeBron ? really ?

[foo55]

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You would get out your seat to cheer for a Pippen poster dunk but you find nothing entertaining about LeBron ? really ?

Not top 25? is your friend skip bayless?

i understand theres criticisms about his clutch play but wtf, magic had those same things said about him. in the history of the nba we have never seen a package like lebron and people that continually discredit him blow my mind

[IamLEGENDsince87]

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Your friend is nuts. LeBron would be just as dominant in ANY era. He plays better defense than Nique and Dr J, and they also never had a great jumper, which Bron has developed and improved every year. I dont care if he has a ring or not, he can flat out ball! Hes definitely top 3 SFs of all time, maybe top 2....Larry Bird was a beast and he is the top dog, but people need to start being real about LeBron. He not entertaining????? Are you serious? He can DOMINATE a game without scoring a basket... Bird and Pippen I will give you, and MAYBE Havlicek, but 3 MVPs and the #s he puts up are ridic and he would be an all star every year in any era. Im a Laker fan but im sick of the outlandish things people say about LeBron.

[ewingandoakley]

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I get Bird, but do you honestly think think Pippen is better than LeBron? Pippen would have 0 rings without MJ. Pippen was a defensive beast, but other than that LeBron has him beat in almost every category.

well lebron doesn't have a ring so i don't see why you seem to think he does have one.

[ewingandoakley]

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hey I got a good lebron diss. Never lend a dollar to Lebron, because he will only give you three quarters back.

[daveberg]

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You would get out your seat to cheer for a Pippen poster dunk but you find nothing entertaining about LeBron ? really ?

He just doesn't 'do it for me' i'm afraid. I'm not slighting the man, or his talents, I just don't rate his game, aesthetically.

As I said before, i'm not much of a fan of today's NBA, it just lacks the heart and grit of the 80's and 90's. In my humble opinion, of course.

[jd@os]

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hey I got a good lebron diss. Never lend a dollar to Lebron, because he will only give you three quarters back.

I heard he went to KFC during the NBA Finals; he couldn't buy a bucket there either...

All kidding aside, I think it's immature when people's objectivity is clouded by their hate. For instance, I really, really dislike Kobe Bryant but I think he's a great player. I hated Isaiah Thomas, but I thought he was an awesome player. I don't care for Lebron at all, but he's one of the best in the game. He reminds me of Serena Williams; Serena didn't really get dominate until she learned that she couldn't rely solely on her physical skills--she needed to get better fundamentally and work on her game. Lebron will go down as an all-time great if he can finally realize this about himself. Stop playing pick-up games to get better; get in the gym BY YOURSELF and shoot hundreds of jumpers, fadeaways, etc. He has the physical talent, but he will be unstoppable once he has the total package.

And I HATE when people stick past players in this era and say they wouldn't cut it. Weight training is a big part of the game, so if Jerry West played today, he would be as fit as players today, which means he would be as good as players today. Be careful about saying who couldn't cut it now because since you can't hand check as much in today's game, scorers of the past might light it up in the present.

[BostonsDaBest]

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I think Paul Pierce will be a top 10 SF when he retires, maybe even a top 5. For career totals, I think he is top 25 in most or every major statistical category, and he isn't done yet. Just my 2 cents, though.

[ewingandoakley]

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