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**ChaseB** · 05-15-2012, 07:54 PM

Re: Madden NFL 13 Video - Gameplay With Jim Nantz and Phil Simms In-Game Commentary

Originally posted by SageInfinite

Maybe he made that comment because of how people would react, like in this very thread, lol.

Ha, I'm not bothered by the feedback. I respect any feedback that's given.

And I never said WHY gameplay wasn't shown either, just for the record.

Anyway, continue on.

**SageInfinite** · 05-15-2012, 07:58 PM

Re: Madden NFL 13 Video - Gameplay With Jim Nantz and Phil Simms In-Game Commentary

Originally posted by ChaseB

Ha, I'm not bothered by the feedback. I respect any feedback that's given.

And I never said WHY gameplay wasn't shown either, just for the record.

Anyway, continue on.

**Gaycandybacon** · 05-15-2012, 08:06 PM

Re: Madden NFL 13 Video - Gameplay With Jim Nantz and Phil Simms In-Game Commentary

Sorry guys

**SageInfinite** · 05-15-2012, 08:10 PM

Re: Madden NFL 13 Video - Gameplay With Jim Nantz and Phil Simms In-Game Commentary

Originally posted by Gaycandybacon

Sorry guys

Welcome to OS.

**ajknows** · 05-15-2012, 08:10 PM

Re: Madden NFL 13 Video - Gameplay With Jim Nantz and Phil Simms In-Game Commentary

Originally posted by ChaseB

Ha, I'm not bothered by the feedback. I respect any feedback that's given.

And I never said WHY gameplay wasn't shown either, just for the record.

Anyway, continue on.

You may not be bothered, and that might be the problem with EA as a whole. So doe's that mean you are happy with what's shown in the video, are you satisfied, is that good enough... or would you rather it not been released? Sorry if I sound like an a**, didn't mean to thats just the way I come across sometimes

**Big FN Deal** · 05-15-2012, 08:16 PM

Re: Madden NFL 13 Video - Gameplay With Jim Nantz and Phil Simms In-Game Commentary

Originally posted by ajknows

You may not be bothered, and that might be the problem with EA as a whole. So doe's that mean you are happy with what's shown in the video, are you satisfied, is that good enough... or would you rather it not been released? Sorry if I sound like an a**, didn't mean to thats just the way I come across sometimes

I knew you sounded familiar but didn't recognize you on OS without the hat. lol j/k

**wheelman990** · 05-15-2012, 08:30 PM

Re: Madden NFL 13 Video - Gameplay With Jim Nantz and Phil Simms In-Game Commentary

I know they threw out the famous "this isn't the final, it's just a work in progress" line(and I know why it is used by many, including myself), but I am going to comment purely on what I see, and not on what I don't see. I do a lot of work in audio myself, even running a small local recording studio as a 2nd job. I would NEVER release anything that I wasn't proud of showing off, or wasn't ready to be seen. Even if that means showing the work I feel confident about, and hiding what was still unfinished. No way I proudly show off poor or unfinished work. That is due to pride I take in my music, audio, video performance and work.

There is no way this is a complete new audio system. If it is, something is wrong at EA sports. It is nearly the same exact system they always have used. one broadcaster comments a bit late on the play by plays, the other rambles afterwards, maybe some banter now. Obviously there are two new voices, and all new lines of commentary.....but in no way is this a new audio engine and if it is they used the exact same person with the exact same ideas as the one who wrote the audio engine before.

I am sorry, but I just don't see talent here at all when I listen to this. Well, to clarify, sure Nantz and Simm's do a good job, but once again this is just poorly implemented. There was still no emotion here on any of the big plays. Nothing here makes me think the guys on the EA audio team are super talented. Nothing here made me excited or added to what was going on to the field (as far as emotion). Football is a game of big moments. We can get 3.5 quarters of a boring football game and one big moment can make the game feel excited and memorable. This is not said as an attack, this is what I personally notice when watching/listening to Madden.

I can tell you right now, if the Madden audio dev's ever knock the audio out of the park, I will give them their credit in full. I can't come on here and say how good this all sounds, because frankly I know better, and that isn't the truth.

This commentary is a step up from 2012, no doubt. I will for sure give them that. My issue is, they have said all year that the main upgrade with madden 13 is yet again, presentation. Wouldn't you be trying to knock presentation out of the park? Wouldn't you want to make all the other game devs say wow, they raised the bar for sports game commentary? I just don't feel that at all. Crowd noises, player banter, etcd isn't going to change what I am hearing. I just don't think the audio devs have the talent or vision to take this to the level I would expect it to be to.

Hopefully come June 4th, I can come on here and say how amazing these guys did this year. Right now I don't see that, but I wish the best for them, and hope they get it right.

Sorry if this upsets anyone. It's just my personal opinion based on my personal view. I am glad many of you are happy with this, and hope you really enjoy the game this year. To the dev's, my views don't mean everyone or anyone else agree's with me. I for sure didn't mean to offend anyone with my comments.

I do like Nantz and Simm's though. Their voices sound great IMO!

**ABR173rd** · 05-15-2012, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by Big FN Deal

LOL.

I keep going back, looking at the video and I just don't see what's so turrible about it. I went back and looked at some video of M10 commentary and it had player names but was far worse, imo. We all know how crazy and buggy M12 commentary was, so I just don't get what people are bugging about but that's just me.

I like the way they seem to realize what's actually happening on the field, as it happens and there doesn't seem to be AS MANY awkward silences. I don't agree, even from these small samples, that it's just more of the same or nothing seems to be done. What are people comparing it to, NBA2k and The Show, do they reasonably expect after M12, for M13's commentary to be on that level?

That said, I don't focus on commentary that much anyway and didn't even feel the urge to turn off M12's, even though it was noticeably bad.

I think it's safe to say that yes, we not only expect it to be at that level but better. EA/Madden is not the new kid on the block. This isn't just a M12 issue but a Madden issue in general among other things. There are millions of products out there that continually improve without personnel continuity and tons of competition. This isn't an issue of improving over one season, it's failing to innovate over the last generation in an atmosphere that lacks any competitors. Madden is not the under dog here.

**Daywalker86** · 05-15-2012, 09:27 PM

This commentary sounds routinely behind.....and without any kind of attachment or emotion for the game.

Better than Gus Johnson yelling late. But I remain unimpressed.

**Big FN Deal** · 05-15-2012, 09:33 PM

Re: Madden NFL 13 Video - Gameplay With Jim Nantz and Phil Simms In-Game Commentary

Originally posted by ABR173rd

I think it's safe to say that yes, we not only expect it to be at that level but better. EA/Madden is not the new kid on the block. This isn't just a M12 issue but a Madden issue in general among other things. There are millions of products out there that continually improve without personnel continuity and tons of competition. This isn't an issue of improving over one season, it's failing to innovate over the last generation in an atmosphere that lacks any competitors. Madden is not the under dog here.

C'mon now, given the reality that is next-gen Madden, isn't it unreasonable to expect M13 to be on that level? I am not saying the way next-gen has progressed or the lack thereof is justified but it is what is, for whatever reason. I don't expect the new dev team to be NFL football miracle workers, they are similar to us in the sense we all have to play with the hand we're dealt.

I just don't place a lot of expectations on commentary with Madden 13 starting over from scratch with new tech and commentators. It's cool if others don't agree because it's not like I don't have my frustration flare ups from time to time about certain things.

**CarryTheWeight** · 05-15-2012, 09:37 PM

Re: Madden NFL 13 Video - Gameplay With Jim Nantz and Phil Simms In-Game Commentary

Originally posted by billylee0000

I wanna see how different the commentary would be if phil simms and jim nance actually got to commentate over the madden gameplay O.o

A few gameplay videos were released last year with Gus Johnson doing live commentary along with an EA rep (I believe). They were much, much better than what we received in-game. Granted, we can't get that same type of flow without having the commentators spend literal weeks in the studio. Combine that with the disc space we have in this generation and you're not getting a viable result.

However, what I and the majority of the posters in this thread are pointing to are the other games in this generation that have done more with less --- they made the most of their recording time and the disc space to create a realistic experience "from the booth". I understand playing Franchise may create some new and interesting scenarios, but sitting through the majority of a generic game only to have, say, thirty seconds to a minute of dynamic content is not providing gamers with a new experience. Other titles have extended dynamic commentary throughout a game and not just in key moments. As I said before, additions like these in the Madden series are long overdue.

**roadman** · 05-15-2012, 09:41 PM

Re: Madden NFL 13 Video - Gameplay With Jim Nantz and Phil Simms In-Game Commentary

Originally posted by Daywalker86

This commentary sounds routinely behind.....and without any kind of attachment or emotion for the game.

Better than Gus Johnson yelling late. But I remain unimpressed.

Yes it does, but it's an older mix, too, as has been seen a few times in the thread.

**Garrett67** · 05-15-2012, 10:11 PM

Re: Madden NFL 13 Video - Gameplay With Jim Nantz and Phil Simms In-Game Commentary

Originally posted by mm boost

EDIT: Here are some screen grabs I took. Gosh, this game looks REAL.

The cutscenes look good but the game looks just like it has for years, and that really isn't saying much .

**BlueNGold** · 05-15-2012, 10:35 PM

Re: Madden NFL 13 Video - Gameplay With Jim Nantz and Phil Simms In-Game Commentary

The commentary sounds okay.

What bothers me is how Nantz sounded. Seemed very different from what he sounds like in a real broadcast because the emotion almost didn't seem, I don't know, genuine? To be honest he sounded really Tom Hammond-ish.

**jpdavis82** · 05-15-2012, 10:43 PM

Re: Madden NFL 13 Video - Gameplay With Jim Nantz and Phil Simms In-Game Commentary

Originally posted by BlueNGold

The commentary sounds okay.

What bothers me is how Nantz sounded. Seemed very different from what he sounds like in a real broadcast because the emotion almost didn't seem, I don't know, genuine? To be honest he sounded really Tom Hammond-ish.

I agree, I thought Simms sounded like he pretty much does in real life.