Madden NFL 13 Video - Gameplay With Jim Nantz and Phil Simms In-Game Commentary

[roadman]

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I just saw this podcast and was very disappointed with what I saw at the 18:45 min mark. Had to comment- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNCsrTjYLVI

Once again, just my personal opinion, don't mean to step on anybody's toe's or tear down their game.

19:19- Simm's voice is much louder then nantz was and sounds like different compression settings were used too(much more dynamic). Might not notice on a laptop, but my studio monitors exploited it with ease. Anyway, minor I guess, but should be adjusted
19;19-Also, should have showed Simm's talking briefly before it left the studio and faded down to field
19:37-should have faded back into the booth as Nance starts talking again. To long time shown on field when they have only begun to show the broadcasters in the booth and they are still talking. Makes me start wondering where the guys in the both went to, and can't help but think they have to appear again at some point....right????
20:08-Since we didn't get to see the rest, lets just assume that is the end of the booth/pre game/ and game starts. This is actually when the guys in the booth should have said a line that threw it back to the field and then the camera fade to the field again (for last time)to show for kickoff or whatever they were starting to do towards video end.

At least cut to the guys in the booth twice during pregame!! Its so incomplete!


Honestly, I am sorry but this is not great audio video presentation. I know many of you probably think I am just being critical, but I am really speaking the truth on this. It isn't done right, and neither are the cut scenes. watch any NFL game. They will never introduce the guys in the booth(only one says a line to boot), and near instantly throw it down to the field(Simm's doesn't even get to speak!) and then wait so long to come back to the booth while showing unimportant unrelated footage what seams like forever. It should have briefly showed the field for a bit (on something relevant to their comments) and gone back to the booth. After the guys say their little pregame speeches, then it goes back down to the field for the game kickoff or whatever. For all I care, at this point they don't have to show the guys in the booth until the end of every quarter, but at least finish the opening scene correctly. Personally I would cut to the guys in the booth every once in a while after some kickoffs,timeouts,etc.....just like real TV. Tapping A could always skip it and they could finish the short conversation during play calling screen, huddle, and even into next play,etc...

Like i said, if they nail this presentation I will be the first to come on here and say how great they are. I don't see it. I can understand some of you guys who aren't into actually doing this stuff might not see what is wrong, but i can tell you this is going to get stale fast. It looks like random scenes thrown together with no plan in place, no vision. Someone on the EA audio dev team needs better vision. he needs to know what he wants to do and execute it realistically. I think they have too many departments that have their own vision and nobody laying out the detailed script for all devisions of the team to follow. Like I said, it looks very random and thrown together. Some good cut scenes and commentary there, but it doesn't flow at all. It isn't pieced together with team VISION.

Good critique, you should be able to better critique the game play audio on June 4th. They show cased us an old mix.

According to the podcast I just listened from the previous page over lunch, they want to be in the same ball park as other top commentary games.

We'll see.

[jpdavis82]

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Good critique, you should be able to better critique the game play audio on June 4th. They show cased us an old mix.

According to the podcast I just listened from the previous page over lunch, they want to be in the same ball park as other top commentary games.

We'll see.

Did you see the video I posted a couple posts ago? It pretty much proves that they do, or at least will at times throw it down to the field almost instantly in real life.

[wheelman990]

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Did you see the video I posted a couple posts ago? It pretty much proves that they do, or at least will at times throw it down to the field almost instantly in real life.

That was probably off a commercial break but yes they did cut to the field quickly(although it cut to game start, not warm ups,etc). I actually like the way they did it better then Madden's and this is kind of what I had in mind with my last comment on them saying something quick and then going down to the field for kickoff. My main complaint was the fact poor Simm's didn't even get to say anything with the camera on him,lol. I didn't think they would want to scrap their work, so bringing them back into the booth for a 10-15 second clip would give Simm's a chance to speak and complete it, and also give a nice look IMO on fading it down to the kickoff.

I think your video is exactly how I would have done this. It keeps the entire Nantz/Simm's portion of the pregame intro short and it felt complete. Time was giving to Nantz and Sim's in front of camera to speak and they said what needed to be said to get the game started. The way madden did it just didn't flow IMO. Went from feeling like a pregame to a kickoff in a way that wasn't smooth.

I'd love to see player intro's again (comepleted) and then kick it over to something like your above video with nanyz and Simm's. that would be pretty awesome. again, were all different. Some might not think my idea is a good one.

As long as EA's intro flows and feels complete, I will like it. How they piece together their scenes makes a huge difference

I do think the guys in the booth have to be shown a few times per game, or it's going to feel weird. Like i said, it has to feel complete. Seeing them once feels very unfinished to me because once you open up to a in booth view, you have to keep up with it. I like the idea of cutting to the booth briefly before halftime show, and again at game end. maybe after a extra point(drive review-can skip) and maybe in 4th quarter to show some key moment in game highlights(like they do on TV). Again, all these can be skipped. While this is a lot of work, it will make that feature be something that is remembered for years to come. Some people adjust sliders for full length game and would welcome extended scenes.

[jpdavis82]

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I agree, here's how I think it should work.

Show Nantz and Simms during the pregame, then again at halftime before the kickoff to start the 2nd half, then in the postgame to do a game recap.

I just tweeted this idea to Mike Young and Matt Bialosuknia btw

[slashpg88]

nothing too impressive about this

[jpdavis82]

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nothing too impressive about this

Not yet, gotta give it time and wait and see how the finished product looks. They are starting from nothing this year with commentary.

[TheLetterZ]

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Not yet, gotta give it time and wait and see how the finished product looks. They are starting from nothing this year with commentary.

Well, sure, but that's been the refrain for years now.

They've started from scratch three times in the last four years.

That doesn't engender a whole lot of confidence going forward.

[GiantBlue76]

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Not yet, gotta give it time and wait and see how the finished product looks. They are starting from nothing this year with commentary.

So they didn't do anything with commentary with last year's game. In fact, they had Chris calling Gus Tom at times. So are you saying that they did absolutely nothing all of last year and the year before on commentary and audio? If that's the case then that is what makes folks pretty irate around here. They claimed that the reason they didn't have good audio last year was because they were hard at work on this new "ground breaking" technology for it. Sigh...

I just wish another studio would get a shot at making our only football game. Maybe EA will switch the shop and contract someone from the outside.

[DeuceDouglas]

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Well, sure, but that's been the refrain for years now.

They've started from scratch three times in the last four years.

That doesn't engender a whole lot of confidence going forward.

I think it's becoming increasingly hard to compare this year to any year prior just because of, and I hate to say it, June 4th. In any previous year, I feel like we would have gotten a fairly good chunk of Nantz-Simms commentary. Instead, it felt like we got a 'playbook reveal' that was extremely watered down because of the fact that they're hiding so much. Even when they played the crowd noise, they wouldn't even show that with an actual play. Like it's been said before, June 4th is the date. After that we should be well aware of everything.

[jpdavis82]

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So they didn't do anything with commentary with last year's game. In fact, they had Chris calling Gus Tom at times. So are you saying that they did absolutely nothing all of last year and the year before on commentary and audio? If that's the case then that is what makes folks pretty irate around here. They claimed that the reason they didn't have good audio last year was because they were hard at work on this new "ground breaking" technology for it. Sigh...

I just wish another studio would get a shot at making our only football game. Maybe EA will switch the shop and contract someone from the outside.

No man you don't understand how it works, sometimes when you invest in new technology it isn't actually noticed until the game after. Just because they invested in the new tech last year doesn't mean it was a part of Madden 12. Anyway, the commentary in Madden 13 is brand new, and the technology running the commentary is brand new, nothing is recycled from last year. That hasn't been the case with Madden commentary on any current gen game.

[jpdavis82]

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Well, sure, but that's been the refrain for years now.

They've started from scratch three times in the last four years.

That doesn't engender a whole lot of confidence going forward.

There's a big difference between now and then, first of all, they didn't start from scratch at any time in the last four years they were still using the old commentary tech and engine, i.e. Cris calling Gus "Tom" still. Commentary wise the issue hasn't been the commentators themselves, but rather the engine that was running the commentary and the stitching of it.

This is also the first Madden that they have had the commentators record together, HUGE deal.

Just wait for Madden 13 to get finished and you will notice the difference.

[bichettehappens]

No man you don't understand how it works, sometimes when you invest in new technology it isn't actually noticed until the game after. Just because they invested in the new tech last year doesn't mean it was a part of Madden 12. Anyway, the commentary in Madden 13 is brand new, and the technology running the commentary is brand new, nothing is recycled from last year. That hasn't been the case with Madden commentary on any current gen game.

Yeah I recall them actually saying the new audio technology was not used in Madden 12

[Jetpac]

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Im still confused as to how we are talking about INTROS as a reason to believe the bland commentary was from an "old" mix. Madden 12 had REALLY good intros the first 3 times you heard them and it seems Madden 13 is falling into the same trap. Its not hard to do a scripted intro. Like I said before, GAMEPLAY commentary left me unimpressed, hopefully June 4th things change.

[jpdavis82]

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Im still confused as to how we are talking about INTROS as a reason to believe the bland commentary was from an "old" mix. Madden 12 had REALLY good intros the first 3 times you heard them and it seems Madden 13 is falling into the same trap. Its not hard to do a scripted intro. Like I said before, GAMEPLAY commentary left me unimpressed, hopefully June 4th things change.

I'd like to see more than 10 second clips of gameplay commentary from different games. The point he was making with the pregame commentary is how much of an improvement we saw in the new video and that you can probably expect the same kind of improvements with the in game commentary too. Madden 13 has 82 hours and 9,000 lines of brand new commentary, I'm not worried about it getting repetitive any time soon. We've heard about 8 minutes tops so far, that's about 1/100th of the commentary.

[Afrikan]

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It just seems like some of the people in charge STILL don't get it.

I knew something would be wrong when they were showing Jim Nantz and Phil reading from sheets of paper a couple of weeks back.

if there is a particular line they want them to say WHY DON'T THEY just recreate that particular play in Madden for them to see, and they can just comment on the fly...it would sound SO MUCH MORE Natural.

The part where there was an INT, Jim just sounded so robotic...so scripted. If they recreated that play in Madden for him (and I'm sure the programers can)...then he would probably sound more excited or surprised. "OH AND ITS INTERCEPTED!" O_O


when you are just reading from a script, it shows. I know Jim and Phil don't have all day to be at the studios, but that is where the programers need to do the dirty work and create a set of plays in the game that are queued up by a press of a button...and the director can push that button and Jim and Phil can watch the play live and react on the fly...if they mess up, re-record.

I know Phil's color commentary would still need to be scripted....as well as some parts from Jim but for game changing plays they need to show more believable emotion.

heck even Phil could let out a "OOOOOHHHH" when an INT happens, while Jim is also reacting as well.

I think the UFC devs did this well, with Joe Rogan and Mike Goldberg's reactions where there are KO's in their games. Mike is doing his normal commentary, THEN ALL THE SUDDEN there is a "OOOOOOOH" from both commentators. as someone goes down or is hit hard.