NHL 13 Video - True Performance Skating Revealed

[BlackXEyes]

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lol those are my ratings for it XD

[Fiddy]

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lol those are my ratings for it XD

my Power River ratings = F

[daflyboys]

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Youch!

and because I need 10 chars.

Youch! Youch!

[Money99]

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Well maybe, just maybe this will help:



Now I'm not saying this is going to be the answer or even that all these cool new features are gonna make the game what it should be. However, I think until proven otherwise, there's reason for some optimism. As I said, this game has the potential of being the most improved of the series by far.

Savoie, I admire your optimism, but this isn't the first time EA bragged about some new AI feature that would revolutionize the game and make it uber realistic.
Remember NHL2005? Where they spoke about watching video of each team and studied how each club flowed through the neutral zone? Apparently that was going to give each game a unique feel based on the team you faced.
How did it work out? It sucked. Really, really bad.
Last year they spoke about advanced AI. How guys like Ovie would split from the defensive zone faster, or how some guys would hang back longer. They said we'd see clearly defined player types and roles.
It made no difference. Everyone still played the same.
Or how about the time they talked about the all new 'attribute slider'. Hahaha! They might as well have added a sugar placebo in every case.

So when I hear EA tout "EA SPORTS Hockey IQ " I just laugh.
Does anyone here seriously think that this bullet point is for casual fans or guys like to deke up and down the ice with anyone and everyone? No.
It's for guys like us here on OS.
They know their offline game is beyond pathetic so they throw out catchy phrases like "Hockey IQ" and "Player Roles", etc, etc, that translate into absolutely nothing but smoke and mirrors.

I would have been excited about this prior to NHL08 or 09's release, but not anymore.

I'll be extremely shocked if this new IQ has a big impact on an offline game.

What I anticipate is that all these new 'features' will work against the user, but have no affect on the CPU.
The CPU will still snipe goals from Hall Gill, Mike Brown will deke like Datsyuk, the berzerker mode will still exist, and your CPU-controlled teammates will continue to play as passively as a kitten laying on a window sill flooded with warm sunlight.

Again, I warn everyone here to stop holding your breath.
Any major changes to the NHL series will be for online gamers alone.
And they know full well that a HUGE majority of their sales come from casual fans that wouldn't know hockey if they slept with Bobby Orr.
So the first time Joe Fratboy can't go end to end with a 6th defenseman, there will be blood and EA will patch to ensure that they appease their largest consumer base.

I will eat a truckload of crow if I'm wrong, and I really, really hope that I am.
But I've seen EA's track record and considering NHL12 is barely any different than NHL09, I seriously doubt we're going to see any major changes for 13.

[Radja]

for all sports games, i wait until i see the acheivement point goals to see how they designed the game. if it is tailored to online or be a pro online, like 12 almost exclusively was, then they worked on the online gaming. if it is spread across the board for the offline and online, like nba 2k12 was, then they worked a bit on everything.

nhl has focused on the onine gamer for the last several iterations. offline has been neglected. so since i am an offline nhl player, i am in strongly in the wait and see camp.

[Steven547]

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Savoie, I admire your optimism, but this isn't the first time EA bragged about some new AI feature that would revolutionize the game and make it uber realistic.
Remember NHL2005? Where they spoke about watching video of each team and studied how each club flowed through the neutral zone? Apparently that was going to give each game a unique feel based on the team you faced.
How did it work out? It sucked. Really, really bad.
Last year they spoke about advanced AI. How guys like Ovie would split from the defensive zone faster, or how some guys would hang back longer. They said we'd see clearly defined player types and roles.
It made no difference. Everyone still played the same.
Or how about the time they talked about the all new 'attribute slider'. Hahaha! They might as well have added a sugar placebo in every case.

So when I hear EA tout "EA SPORTS Hockey IQ " I just laugh.
Does anyone here seriously think that this bullet point is for casual fans or guys like to deke up and down the ice with anyone and everyone? No.
It's for guys like us here on OS.
They know their offline game is beyond pathetic so they throw out catchy phrases like "Hockey IQ" and "Player Roles", etc, etc, that translate into absolutely nothing but smoke and mirrors.

I would have been excited about this prior to NHL08 or 09's release, but not anymore.

I'll be extremely shocked if this new IQ has a big impact on an offline game.

What I anticipate is that all these new 'features' will work against the user, but have no affect on the CPU.
The CPU will still snipe goals from Hall Gill, Mike Brown will deke like Datsyuk, the berzerker mode will still exist, and your CPU-controlled teammates will continue to play as passively as a kitten laying on a window sill flooded with warm sunlight.

Again, I warn everyone here to stop holding your breath.
Any major changes to the NHL series will be for online gamers alone.
And they know full well that a HUGE majority of their sales come from casual fans that wouldn't know hockey if they slept with Bobby Orr.
So the first time Joe Fratboy can't go end to end with a 6th defenseman, there will be blood and EA will patch to ensure that they appease their largest consumer base.

I will eat a truckload of crow if I'm wrong, and I really, really hope that I am.
But I've seen EA's track record and considering NHL12 is barely any different than NHL09, I seriously doubt we're going to see any major changes for 13.

Agreed. I'm very concerned, as others mentioned, about the desperation by the Goaltender in this video. He lays on the ice waiting for the skater, who then puts it OVER him and in the net. I've never seen a real life goal lay on the ice like that for such a long time BEFORE the skater makes his move. I'm very concerned for this years version.

[canucksss]

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Savoie, I admire your optimism, but this isn't the first time EA bragged about some new AI feature that would revolutionize the game and make it uber realistic.
Remember NHL2005? Where they spoke about watching video of each team and studied how each club flowed through the neutral zone? Apparently that was going to give each game a unique feel based on the team you faced.
How did it work out? It sucked. Really, really bad.
Last year they spoke about advanced AI. How guys like Ovie would split from the defensive zone faster, or how some guys would hang back longer. They said we'd see clearly defined player types and roles.
It made no difference. Everyone still played the same.
Or how about the time they talked about the all new 'attribute slider'. Hahaha! They might as well have added a sugar placebo in every case.

So when I hear EA tout "EA SPORTS Hockey IQ " I just laugh.
Does anyone here seriously think that this bullet point is for casual fans or guys like to deke up and down the ice with anyone and everyone? No.
It's for guys like us here on OS.
They know their offline game is beyond pathetic so they throw out catchy phrases like "Hockey IQ" and "Player Roles", etc, etc, that translate into absolutely nothing but smoke and mirrors.

I would have been excited about this prior to NHL08 or 09's release, but not anymore.

I'll be extremely shocked if this new IQ has a big impact on an offline game.

What I anticipate is that all these new 'features' will work against the user, but have no affect on the CPU.
The CPU will still snipe goals from Hall Gill, Mike Brown will deke like Datsyuk, the berzerker mode will still exist, and your CPU-controlled teammates will continue to play as passively as a kitten laying on a window sill flooded with warm sunlight.

Again, I warn everyone here to stop holding your breath.
Any major changes to the NHL series will be for online gamers alone.
And they know full well that a HUGE majority of their sales come from casual fans that wouldn't know hockey if they slept with Bobby Orr.
So the first time Joe Fratboy can't go end to end with a 6th defenseman, there will be blood and EA will patch to ensure that they appease their largest consumer base.

I will eat a truckload of crow if I'm wrong, and I really, really hope that I am.
But I've seen EA's track record and considering NHL12 is barely any different than NHL09, I seriously doubt we're going to see any major changes for 13.

YES! totally agree with you. how long has EA done this, giving us promises and using catchy phrases and turn out to be a dung?
its not bad to hope but if the one promising is not reliable or known for all glitters and no value type of promotion, instead of being optimistic we tend to be pessimistic and to a point cynical.

[savoie2006]

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Money, I know exactly where you are coming from, trust me. I said it in a previous post that the whole Hockey IQ thing was going to be a wait and see, based on EA's history. They have touted a new improved AI several times and it ends up the same for the most part, so it is cautious optimism I'm going with here.

Steven, as bad as the goalies can be in this game, I haven't seen one do something that stupid since NHL 06 for the Xbox/PS2. I'm pretty sure that was staged so the guy could actually score the goal and maybe the show off the goalie flexability.

[CupCrazyManiac]

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Savoie, I admire your optimism, but this isn't the first time EA bragged about some new AI feature that would revolutionize the game and make it uber realistic.
Remember NHL2005? Where they spoke about watching video of each team and studied how each club flowed through the neutral zone? Apparently that was going to give each game a unique feel based on the team you faced.
How did it work out? It sucked. Really, really bad.
Last year they spoke about advanced AI. How guys like Ovie would split from the defensive zone faster, or how some guys would hang back longer. They said we'd see clearly defined player types and roles.
It made no difference. Everyone still played the same.
Or how about the time they talked about the all new 'attribute slider'. Hahaha! They might as well have added a sugar placebo in every case.

So when I hear EA tout "EA SPORTS Hockey IQ " I just laugh.
Does anyone here seriously think that this bullet point is for casual fans or guys like to deke up and down the ice with anyone and everyone? No.
It's for guys like us here on OS.
They know their offline game is beyond pathetic so they throw out catchy phrases like "Hockey IQ" and "Player Roles", etc, etc, that translate into absolutely nothing but smoke and mirrors.

I would have been excited about this prior to NHL08 or 09's release, but not anymore.

I'll be extremely shocked if this new IQ has a big impact on an offline game.

What I anticipate is that all these new 'features' will work against the user, but have no affect on the CPU.
The CPU will still snipe goals from Hall Gill, Mike Brown will deke like Datsyuk, the berzerker mode will still exist, and your CPU-controlled teammates will continue to play as passively as a kitten laying on a window sill flooded with warm sunlight.

Again, I warn everyone here to stop holding your breath.
Any major changes to the NHL series will be for online gamers alone.
And they know full well that a HUGE majority of their sales come from casual fans that wouldn't know hockey if they slept with Bobby Orr.
So the first time Joe Fratboy can't go end to end with a 6th defenseman, there will be blood and EA will patch to ensure that they appease their largest consumer base.

I will eat a truckload of crow if I'm wrong, and I really, really hope that I am.
But I've seen EA's track record and considering NHL12 is barely any different than NHL09, I seriously doubt we're going to see any major changes for 13.

agree! ill just wait and see...the NHL13 DEMO has to be AAAAAAAAAWESOME then i ll think bout to buy or not.... otherwise its a NO BUY!!!

[FBeaule04]

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Savoie, I admire your optimism, but this isn't the first time EA bragged about some new AI feature that would revolutionize the game and make it uber realistic.
Remember NHL2005? Where they spoke about watching video of each team and studied how each club flowed through the neutral zone? Apparently that was going to give each game a unique feel based on the team you faced.
How did it work out? It sucked. Really, really bad.
Last year they spoke about advanced AI. How guys like Ovie would split from the defensive zone faster, or how some guys would hang back longer. They said we'd see clearly defined player types and roles.
It made no difference. Everyone still played the same.
Or how about the time they talked about the all new 'attribute slider'. Hahaha! They might as well have added a sugar placebo in every case.

So when I hear EA tout "EA SPORTS Hockey IQ " I just laugh.
Does anyone here seriously think that this bullet point is for casual fans or guys like to deke up and down the ice with anyone and everyone? No.
It's for guys like us here on OS.
They know their offline game is beyond pathetic so they throw out catchy phrases like "Hockey IQ" and "Player Roles", etc, etc, that translate into absolutely nothing but smoke and mirrors.

I would have been excited about this prior to NHL08 or 09's release, but not anymore.

I'll be extremely shocked if this new IQ has a big impact on an offline game.

What I anticipate is that all these new 'features' will work against the user, but have no affect on the CPU.
The CPU will still snipe goals from Hall Gill, Mike Brown will deke like Datsyuk, the berzerker mode will still exist, and your CPU-controlled teammates will continue to play as passively as a kitten laying on a window sill flooded with warm sunlight.

Again, I warn everyone here to stop holding your breath.
Any major changes to the NHL series will be for online gamers alone.
And they know full well that a HUGE majority of their sales come from casual fans that wouldn't know hockey if they slept with Bobby Orr.
So the first time Joe Fratboy can't go end to end with a 6th defenseman, there will be blood and EA will patch to ensure that they appease their largest consumer base.

I will eat a truckload of crow if I'm wrong, and I really, really hope that I am.
But I've seen EA's track record and considering NHL12 is barely any different than NHL09, I seriously doubt we're going to see any major changes for 13.

Holding my breath for an NHL game? Never, ever, ever.

In fact, for the last 3 years, all I saw from EA was a nice women offering a tons of thing that could make me go while when she undress, I discovered it was a guy!

EA can come up with any video they want (ex : AI understanding where the puck will be video last summer and how it translated in the game when on the market!) I'll believe it when I see it on the ice, after a few games.

Until then, sorry for EA, but I assume NHL 13 will be as good as NHL 10-11-12, that means only for 6 vs. 6 play, if not, get ready for a game that as the same amount of IQ than Maggie the Monkey!

[savoie2006]

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They don't want the online AI to be that good. That's what humans for and online play is for humans. If they made the online AI good, a whole bunch of one player EASHL teams would be at the top.

[RealmK]

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Savoie, I admire your optimism, but this isn't the first time EA bragged about some new AI feature that would revolutionize the game and make it uber realistic.
Remember NHL2005? Where they spoke about watching video of each team and studied how each club flowed through the neutral zone? Apparently that was going to give each game a unique feel based on the team you faced.
How did it work out? It sucked. Really, really bad.
Last year they spoke about advanced AI. How guys like Ovie would split from the defensive zone faster, or how some guys would hang back longer. They said we'd see clearly defined player types and roles.
It made no difference. Everyone still played the same.
Or how about the time they talked about the all new 'attribute slider'. Hahaha! They might as well have added a sugar placebo in every case.

So when I hear EA tout "EA SPORTS Hockey IQ " I just laugh.
Does anyone here seriously think that this bullet point is for casual fans or guys like to deke up and down the ice with anyone and everyone? No.
It's for guys like us here on OS.
They know their offline game is beyond pathetic so they throw out catchy phrases like "Hockey IQ" and "Player Roles", etc, etc, that translate into absolutely nothing but smoke and mirrors.

I would have been excited about this prior to NHL08 or 09's release, but not anymore.

I'll be extremely shocked if this new IQ has a big impact on an offline game.

What I anticipate is that all these new 'features' will work against the user, but have no affect on the CPU.
The CPU will still snipe goals from Hall Gill, Mike Brown will deke like Datsyuk, the berzerker mode will still exist, and your CPU-controlled teammates will continue to play as passively as a kitten laying on a window sill flooded with warm sunlight.

Again, I warn everyone here to stop holding your breath.
Any major changes to the NHL series will be for online gamers alone.
And they know full well that a HUGE majority of their sales come from casual fans that wouldn't know hockey if they slept with Bobby Orr.
So the first time Joe Fratboy can't go end to end with a 6th defenseman, there will be blood and EA will patch to ensure that they appease their largest consumer base.

I will eat a truckload of crow if I'm wrong, and I really, really hope that I am.
But I've seen EA's track record and considering NHL12 is barely any different than NHL09, I seriously doubt we're going to see any major changes for 13.

Way to be optimistic Hank. hehe. I get the frustration, I'm taking a way and see approach myself, I do like the skating teaser, we'll see how it plays out in game. I do hope that if momentum plays a part, as it should with the skating it isn't over the top ala NHL2k where you pretty much feel like you're fighting the controls and skating in mud, no matter the sliders.

I do like the mention of revamped AI, though again, it's a wait and see approach, we heard something similar last year with personality traits and to be honest, while there are times in 12, where I do notice them affecting certain player's decisions, it's not consistent, and it doesn't happen often enough.

Not sure what they mean on personalized team presentation, though I'm hoping it's more than just picking a favorite team and having team emblems plastered all over the interface.
The presentation in this series is solid, unfortunately it's also been essentially the same since 07, it's also a bit stale because of that.

Nice info, but I'll wait to see the game in action or have the demo to play before I get all excited or negative.

[Vikes1]

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Nice info, but I'll wait to see the game in action or have the demo to play before I get all excited or negative.

This pretty much sums up my attitude as well.

It sounds good...just like before. But ya, gotta really play it to really know.

[phillyfan23]

the post by money99 is absolutely spot on. they have been feeding the same promises the last 2-3 years and in my opinion nhl 12 fixed some things ( cpu missed passes, no comeback ai in quick play at least) but the ai as a whole ttook 2 or 3 steps backwards. penalties got worse...
cpu ai logic got a lot worse....no cycling and just up and down and the cpu just shoots and shoots. yea the skating video looks awrsome but if the ai isnt much better, the new skating will mean nothing to me and im sure harfcore hockey fans will feel the same way.

there were absolutely no changes to player difference in nhl 12. when playing against the top line of the opposition you sometimes forget because of the little player difference. in 2k10, there is a big BIG difference playin against the penguins top line with crosby than playing against their 4th line led by craig adams. the shooting is less accurate and not as hard....passes miss more....speed is less...
less agile less balance less stickhandling....

how can you REALLY get into a hockey game where marian gaborik poses nearly the same threat as brendan prust.....crosby with adams, giroux with jody shelley? I know I cant. Im not even looking forward to nhl 13 after rediscovring 2k10..

i will wait for user reviews from sim guys or maybe rent it and see. but to be honest....if nhl 13 resembles realistic hockey....it will be one of the biggest surprises in sports gaming. i really doubt it will happen.

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[RealmK]

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the post by money99 is absolutely spot on. they have been feeding the same promises the last 2-3 years and in my opinion nhl 12 fixed some things ( cpu missed passes, no comeback ai in quick play at least) but the ai as a whole ttook 2 or 3 steps backwards. penalties got worse...
cpu ai logic got a lot worse....no cycling and just up and down and the cpu just shoots and shoots. yea the skating video looks awrsome but if the ai isnt much better, the new skating will mean nothing to me and im sure harfcore hockey fans will feel the same way.

there were absolutely no changes to player difference in nhl 12. when playing against the top line of the opposition you sometimes forget because of the little player difference. in 2k10, there is a big BIG difference playin against the penguins top line with crosby than playing against their 4th line led by craig adams. the shooting is less accurate and not as hard....passes miss more....speed is less...
less agile less balance less stickhandling....

how can you REALLY get into a hockey game where marian gaborik poses nearly the same threat as brendan prust.....crosby with adams, giroux with jody shelley? I know I cant. Im not even looking forward to nhl 13 after rediscovring 2k10..

i will wait for user reviews from sim guys or maybe rent it and see. but to be honest....if nhl 13 resembles realistic hockey....it will be one of the biggest surprises in sports gaming. i really doubt it will happen.

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To be fair aside from the super arcadey OVI Dekes that only certain players can do, 2k10's players all feel pretty samey as well but eh. Maybe it's just me.

Not that you're off the mark, the one area this series needs the most work on is the offline AI and player separation actually being there.