NCAA Football 13 Gameplay Video - Maryland vs. Michigan

[chi_hawks]

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Which would defeat the purpose because the AI acts more superhuman on that difficulty and not realistic. (without slider adjustments)

Fair thought - what is the next one down. That one then.

Guess I have gotten used to BS Heisman superhuman crap.

[Broncos86]

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I liked what I saw. That looks like a fun NCAA game to me.

[berad88]

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Fair thought - what is the next one down. That one then.

Guess I have gotten used to BS Heisman superhuman crap.

Although now that I think about it in a cpu vs cpu game it probably would be a much better example than human vs cpu regardless of difficulty.

[carnalnirvana]

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EA - lets see a full 8 min qtr CPU vs CPU. LSU vs West Virginia. Heisman difficulty.

no this is exactly what they need to show, to prove that the game will not break its own featured...

if read and react cant work on heisman why am i buying this game...

heisman should lead to more broken tackles or tougher catches not no look catching...

like in shooters i can deal with enemies hearing a pin drop from a mile but it would be stupid if they could shoot through walls

[Osceola]

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Why does every video/screenshot I see make me want to cancel my preorder?

[TheBleedingRed21]

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Why does every video/screenshot I see make me want to cancel my preorder?

Simple... You expect too much sir

[BA2929]

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KU/Georgia Tech game from 2011 comes to mind. Honestly don't think I've ever seen defensive players so out of position like they were in that game.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=312600059

Haha, that game was hilariously awful to watch. I hope KU's DEF is better this year so I can actually compete in NCAA '13.

[Playmakers]

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EA - lets see a full 8 min qtr CPU vs CPU. LSU vs West Virginia. Heisman difficulty.

I would love to see a CPU vs CPU video.....

It doesn't have to be on heisman level as i think you'll see things like broken tackles and QBA look unrealistic.

But i'm not sure EA would do that because if the CPU AI doesn't react accordingly or looks goofy while playing it could bring a negative impact.

That is why i think they limit the the CPU vs CPU videos.

[JerseySuave4]

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It's true that he should have contain, but this does happen. And it happens at a decent rate.

* This is the only one I could think of off the top of my head that demonstrated this perfectly. I'm sure if you google Vince Young you'll find plenty though.
1:34 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD8qS3RGEu4

Now, if this happens 50% of the time, then yeah, that's going overboard. But I'd say probably 1/5 - 1/7 times the zone read is run in real life the DE will lose containment. Just depends on how well the RB is running the ball off the play. After all, if your teammates are stopping the run just fine then there's no reason to go after the RB. But if you're getting gashed time after time by the handoff, it gets really tough for the DE to stay at home.

Even in that video you see the DE start to follow the RB, see his mistake and attempt to recover even though he falls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G11pYLT2yHM


I really have no idea what y'all are complaining about. DE's do this ALL THE TIME against the zone read (watch that video of Stanford vs UO). Sure they stay home too, but that was one play! How can you judge the DE interactions based on one play. I run the zone read quite often on 12 and feel as though they have it tuned correctly. That was to show us that the Qb's will actually get out of there quickly and not be stuck in the quicksand animation.

Couldn't agree more. This video shows your point again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBvFDHigBT4&feature=related

At the 48 second mark in this video watch how this end chases the tailback. Option football is supposed to put certain defenders in conflict with their defensive assignments. 43 DEs are SUPPOSED to step down and chase when the offensive tackle releases inside. There are some ends that can chase and peel to cover the QB, Adrian Claiborne of Iowa did this against Georgia Tech in the Orange Bowl effectively making Tech unable to run option to his side. But if we are talking about an average end, he's going to chase because if the front side of the defense stones the offense, the back side end can tackle the tailback. That's where the whole zone read came from, how do you neutralize this weakside ends? BTW this is one of the biggest weaknesses that NCAA has. Defenses don't really function according to the real world philosophy of those defenses.

I'd have no problem with it if the video of the game actually looked like those examples you put in real life but it doesnt.

The video of the game the DE doesn't even attack the correct way. He doesn't even run towards the QB/RB in the backfield, he starts forward then turns towards the sideline and runs down the line.

In the Oregon video that was posted showing the read option the DE had to make a decision because the QB was riding the ball in the RB and waits until the DE gets close and bites before he pulls it out. The DE is at least somewhat close to the RB.

In the video game video the DE is almost 5 yards away, never gets anywhere near the backfield and just turns and runs down the line towards the RB.

The DE never gets closer to 5 yards and just blindly follows the RB. In real life if a DE is 5 yards away playing his assignment, whether he bites on a fake to the RB or not, with 5 yards he would see his mistake and not continue to follow the RB.

Again, in the real life videos you show the DE is at least in the backfield somewhat near the RB/QB. In the video game he is 5 yards away and never gets closer. It looks bad.

[chi_hawks]

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no this is exactly what they need to show, to prove that the game will not break its own featured...

if read and react cant work on heisman why am i buying this game...

heisman should lead to more broken tackles or tougher catches not no look catching...

like in shooters i can deal with enemies hearing a pin drop from a mile but it would be stupid if they could shoot through walls

This is a great point. Anything but heisman and its a joke - but yeah, the DT chasing down the slot receiver does get old.

And yeah, i know, sliders sliders. Just don't think I should have to take my time to fix what the developers should have already.

[JerseySuave4]

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after last year i won't bother with Heisman again. I used to play on Heisman all the time because otherwise i thought the game was too easy so play on the hardest difficulty and i'll get the best games. Not true. It wasn't until i found a set of good sliders that i realized All American with good sliders was better than Heisman. Not only were my games more realistic but i also had some competition from the computer.

[KushNstien]

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Why does every video/screenshot I see make me want to cancel my preorder?

but did you cancel it yet??

[JerseySuave4]

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Simple... You expect too much sir

or they have bought the game the last few years only to be disappointed like most people and see that this years game looks like last years game with a patch to fix psychic DBs and Super LBs.

[JerseySuave4]

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I definitely see what you're saying.

My problems with with the NCAA video were:

1. The whole process looked a little drawn-out to me. It's a "bang-bang" play in the real life videos in this thread. The QB makes the fake and a split-second later the RB is at the LOS with the DE on his back. In NCAA, the QB fakes the handoff and the RB runs WAY out wide while the DE, clumsily running through the other linemen, pursues the RB for what feels like way too long until finally the RB stops and the DE notices he's been had.

The real DE's didn't have any time to change their mind. They saw the fake handoff, decided the RB had the ball, and we're on his back around the LOS in an instant, mostly because the real backs ran straight in between the tackle whereas the virtual back bounced way outside. I'm no zone read option guru, but I feel like the back taking it out wide kinda reduces the efficacy of the fake. To me, it seems like keeping the RB between the tackles would add some urgency to the backside DE's decision. And it seems like that's typically how it's done IRL.

2. My other issue was the way the DE pivots, without making contact with the ground, to change his pursuit angle then he accelerates in a very unnatural-looking way. I'd like to see him plant that right foot then explode towards the "ball-carrier" if he decides to do so.

I know we've been complaining about footplanting forever but I think this is a great example of why it's so important. A Darron Thomas type QB would just need an average DE to bite on the fake for a split second. It'd be too hard for most DE's to plant his foot in the ground, shift his momentum toward the RB, then try to cut back the opposite way in pursuit of a QB. An DE with elite athleticism, on the other hand, could possibly bite softly on the fake but still switch directions and accelerate quick enough to impact the play.

Realistic footplanting and momentum would add soooo much depth to the zone read option game in NCAA.

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you're right, in real life it's a bang-bang play. In the game the DE is still getting out of his stance when the QB has the ball in the RB's stomach and has to make a decision.

And the back taking the ball out wide doesn't necessarily ruin the fake but it makes the play more ineffective if the RB gets the ball. You want to run North & South not East & West. Running outside just gives the defense more time to get to the ballcarrier. When the RB goes straight it forces the defense to make quicker decisions which is obviously harder to do than if the RB ran lateral instead of getting upfield.

[BA2929]

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In the video game video the DE is almost 5 yards away, never gets anywhere near the backfield and just turns and runs down the line towards the RB.

The DE never gets closer to 5 yards and just blindly follows the RB. In real life if a DE is 5 yards away playing his assignment, whether he bites on a fake to the RB or not, with 5 yards he would see his mistake and not continue to follow the RB.

Again, in the real life videos you show the DE is at least in the backfield somewhat near the RB/QB. In the video game he is 5 yards away and never gets closer. It looks bad.

Expecting a video game guy to react exactly the same way as a real human-being is expecting too much out of a game. No matter how amazing a sports video game is, they'll never be able to 100% accurately represent a real human actually playing the game. Sure, they can get close, but expecting a DE in a video game to read and react to a read-option play nearly identically to a human is expecting too much. I think NCAA got it pretty dang close for a video game. Sure, it isn't 100%, exactly true to real life, but it's as close as we're probably going to get for quite awhile.