NHL 13 Community Day Video Webcast Available Now, Post Your Thoughts Here

[MrYaz]

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I'm excited after watching the webcast. It honestly in alpha state looks better than NHL 12. What Makes me extremely happy (as a D man in EASHL) is now you cant go full speed, cut on a dime, score it.

It's nice that I have options to combat against those speed demons out there.

[bwiggy33]

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I completly agree, but if the exploits are fixed in a timly manner then it would be less of a problem but we will see.

Might point was I would rather fix the big problems then a little ones

Well that's the thing. The glitch goals they try and fix this year will most likely open up new ones for 13. That's just the reality of it. So just by them fixing the ones now, all it does is make glitchers out there go into practice mode and find how they can exploit the goalies so they can win online. Thankfully I have given up online but sadly it's the mode that sees the most time from the developers.

The other thing with glitch goals is the new goalie system they have. This could create many of them since it's the first test run with the goalies being able to move all of their limbs. We as the gamers are basically going to have to be their bug testers until they can at least come out with a patch to fix the problems because there is no way they are going to be able to find every glitch goal. It's pretty much happened each year since 07 and now that they are changing the goalies it will most likely make it that more prevalent. I hope not but that's what I'm expecting.

[AllJuicedUp]

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It would prevent people from spamming draws out of the upright stance with no grip.

Right now that's a major exploit in faceoffs.

I disagree, there are two different grips/ways to regularly beat those spammers. In fact, spammers are my favorite type of center to go against because they are so predictable and almost never change their strategy.

People who complain that the upright faceoff spam is a glitch are people that don't understand the faceoff mechanic. Try to change up your own moves and figure out what works instead of complaining. Because it is 100% beatable

[ManiacMatt1782]

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I pause to take a timeout to rest my guys. Now if EA implemented a way to call a T.O. without having to pause that would be great. You only get 1 30 second pause in Versus. Is that really hampering your experience? The stuff in between periods is what takes the most time.

its otp that its an issue, noone complains about pauses in versus.

[AllJuicedUp]

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Heres my issue with that video... many times throughout the presentation, its blatantly deceiving

For example, at the 10 minute mark they're comparing top end speed in 12 to 13 and showing how theirs no real explosiveness in NHL 12. But when they do the NHL 12 demonstration, they simply skate forward... Rammer doesn't push in the stick for that extra boost, and he doesn't use the push puck feature, both of which are required to really show the NHL 12 top end speed.

In the video, the NHL 12 skater looks slow as **** because they are using the players regular game speed and calling it his top end speed. Yeah, the player is skating more casually because players don't go all out 100% of the time in a hockey game. That extra gear involves clicking in the left stick and pushing the puck!!!

Now, it appears all you have to do is push forward on the left stick and your player in NHL 13 will put the puck in front of him and skate out like he's got rockets up his ***. Sorry, but thats not an improvement to me... I don't want skaters going 100% all the freaking time, thats not realistic!!!!!

[Segagendude]

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-- No faceoff kick-outs. They don't want to slow the game down.

Same sorry excuse the Madden team used for lack of major penalties...

I like someone's idea about disabling it for online. But I'd at least like to have it offline, since it's all I play. Realism, FTW!!

[RM938]

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Does anyone else think there should be more rebound/crease goals? Yeah you can get the occasional rebound goal but doesnt happen enough IMO.

Also there are alot of goals around the crease in real life. I feel like sometimes goalies cover the puck too easily. They should maybe tone that down just a tad so that the puck isn't a magnet to the glove.

These are just some slight changes i'd love to see, it would change the variety of goals you see game to game and would make crashing the net more realistic.

[ComaFaction]

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Heres my issue with that video... many times throughout the presentation, its blatantly deceiving

For example, at the 10 minute mark they're comparing top end speed in 12 to 13 and showing how theirs no real explosiveness in NHL 12. But when they do the NHL 12 demonstration, they simply skate forward... Rammer doesn't push in the stick for that extra boost, and he doesn't use the push puck feature, both of which are required to really show the NHL 12 top end speed.

In the video, the NHL 12 skater looks slow as **** because they are using the players regular game speed and calling it his top end speed. Yeah, the player is skating more casually because players don't go all out 100% of the time in a hockey game. That extra gear involves clicking in the left stick and pushing the puck!!!

Now, it appears all you have to do is push forward on the left stick and your player in NHL 13 will put the puck in front of him and skate out like he's got rockets up his ***. Sorry, but thats not an improvement to me... I don't want skaters going 100% all the freaking time, thats not realistic!!!!!

Agreed. Rammer did mention that they haven't decided whether that animation will happen automatically or through pressing L2/LT to trigger that top-end speed in '13. I hope they make it user-controllable.

[JezFranco]

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Agreed. Rammer did mention that they haven't decided whether that animation will happen automatically or through pressing L2/LT to trigger that top-end speed in '13. I hope they make it user-controllable.

I'd like it to be similar to the way it is now.
With L2/LT should trigger a push puck, and then it's up to you to chase it.


And with the new "top end speed" If it's still click L3 to go into overdrive, I think it'd be smooth that when you reach, say, second gear (out of 3) your player automatically pushes the puck...

[Yeats]

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Heres my issue with that video... many times throughout the presentation, its blatantly deceiving

Now, it appears all you have to do is push forward on the left stick and your player in NHL 13 will put the puck in front of him and skate out like he's got rockets up his ***. Sorry, but thats not an improvement to me... I don't want skaters going 100% all the freaking time, thats not realistic!!!!!

Bingo! Exactly, and give that man a cookie.

This isn't some new "True Performance Skating" engine, this is "We tweaked the game coding so some guys go REALLY FAST!" That's what it looks like at this point anyway.

[RealmK]

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What part of the game is still in an alpha build state do people not get? Seriously.

[bwiggy33]

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IMO the LT/L2 button is an absolute crock to NHL 12. It's straight up cheap. When a player wants to get past a D-Man on a straight away down the boards or trying to split the D for a breakaway, they don't all of a sudden just decide "I'm going to start skating fast now" and then when they are past the D Man they stop skating fast. That is what the LT/L2 button is now. Plus it shouldn't be called push puck when you rarely are ever able to take the puck away as a defenseman when this is used. IRL there is a progression in their skating stride. They have a process to finally get to "top end speed." The top players in the league get to it faster than less talented players, which is what separates those players. I'm not accusing you guys above for cheating, but players who use this religiously don't know what the sport of hockey entails. It is just another one of those gimmicks that NHL added to give the people bitching (non realistic players/cheesers) about no speed burst. Just another thing they did to cater those fans. Once again I'm not trying calling you guys above cheaters because I have never played you.

With this new True Performance Skating system they need to leave it to no button but figure out when the right time to get to top end speed is. No way in hell any player is at top end speed when skating around or cycling in the offensive zone. There just isn't enough space in the offensive zone to be doing that. Top end speed occurs when carrying the puck into the offensive zone (Trying to split the defenders for a breakaway, odd man rushes, etc) and when backchecking.

I have extremely strong opinions on this. No user should be able to control it because we will just have another episode of the glitch in the game now with the LT/L2 button, but they absolutely have to get the proper times of top end speed correct otherwise this new system most likely won't work. It's going to take a lot of testing so hopefully they can get it right.

[RealmK]

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IMO the LT/L2 button is an absolute crock to NHL 12. It's straight up cheap. When a player wants to get past a D-Man on a straight away down the boards or trying to split the D for a breakaway, they don't all of a sudden just decide "I'm going to start skating fast now" and then when they are past the D Man they stop skating fast. That is what the LT/L2 button is now. Plus it shouldn't be called push puck when you rarely are ever able to take the puck away as a defenseman when this is used. IRL there is a progression in their skating stride. They have a process to finally get to "top end speed." The top players in the league get to it faster than less talented players, which is what separates those players. I'm not accusing you guys above for cheating, but players who use this religiously don't know what the sport of hockey entails. It is just another one of those gimmicks that NHL added to give the people bitching (non realistic players/cheesers) about no speed burst. Just another thing they did to cater those fans. Once again I'm not trying calling you guys above cheaters because I have never played you.

With this new True Performance Skating system they need to leave it to no button but figure out when the right time to get to top end speed is. No way in hell any player is at top end speed when skating around or cycling in the offensive zone. There just isn't enough space in the offensive zone to be doing that. Top end speed occurs when carrying the puck into the offensive zone (Trying to split the defenders for a breakaway, odd man rushes, etc) and when backchecking.

I have extremely strong opinions on this. No user should be able to control it because we will just have another episode of the glitch in the game now with the LT/L2 button, but they absolutely have to get the proper times of top end speed correct otherwise this new system most likely won't work. It's going to take a lot of testing so hopefully they can get it right.

Not entirely sure what you're trying to say bwiggy. Left trigger/L2 is vision control if I'm remembering off the top of my head, and if nothing else it actually now looks like it works as it should where players actually pivot while turning.

Unless you're refering to the hustle effect on the right analog stick.

Even when working a puck in a cycle, NHL players, especially star ones can catch a Dman going north in a southbound lane with a good move or studder step.

I do agree that they need to test the ever living hell out of top speeds to make sure they feel realistic in flow but, it almost sounds like you're damning the system before we even see it outside of a very early demo of alpha software. I guess I'm not entirely sure what the issue is.

[bwiggy33]

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Not entirely sure what you're trying to say bwiggy. Left trigger/L2 is vision control if I'm remembering off the top of my head, and if nothing else it actually now looks like it works as it should where players actually pivot while turning.

Unless you're refering to the hustle effect on the right analog stick.

Even when working a puck in a cycle, NHL players, especially star ones can catch a Dman going north in a southbound lane with a good move or studder step.

I do agree that they need to test the ever living hell out of top speeds to make sure they feel realistic in flow but, it almost sounds like you're damning the system before we even see it outside of a very early demo of alpha software. I guess I'm not entirely sure what the issue is.

First of all I'm not dreaming anything at all. The developers stated in the video they are trying to figure out if they should use a button to get to top speed, or find a way to get there with no button. I'm saying there should be no button at all for skating besides the left stick. Skating is a process leading up to top speed. You don't get to top speed in a split second. It takes 3 or 4 hard strides to get to that point. Having a button most likely wouldn't achieve that. If they could find a way, then that's great.

Also No I'm not talking about vision control at all. I'm talking when you tap LT this year with the puck the guy sprints ahead for a short burst. IRL the player would have been increasing his speed the whole way to get by the D Man, not just all of a sudden decide they need an extra speed burst to get by. It's cheap and unrealistic. I know vision control is that button when you hold it down but that's not what I'm talking about.

As for cycling I understand they can catch a d man. I'm saying it is very rare that a player is going top speed inside of the zone when setting up a play. There are too many players and not enough space to do that. They would get out of control. They take quick strides and glide in order to have control of their feet, which allows them to get by defenders when they have the puck.

[RealmK]

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First of all I'm not dreaming anything at all. The developers stated in the video they are trying to figure out if they should use a button to get to top speed, or find a way to get there with no button. I'm saying there should be no button at all for skating besides the left stick. Skating is a process leading up to top speed. You don't get to top speed in a split second. It takes 3 or 4 hard strides to get to that point. Having a button most likely wouldn't achieve that. If they could find a way, then that's great.

Also No I'm not talking about vision control at all. I'm talking when you tap LT this year with the puck the guy sprints ahead for a short burst. IRL the player would have been increasing his speed the whole way to get by the D Man, not just all of a sudden decide they need an extra speed burst to get by. It's cheap and unrealistic. I know vision control is that button when you hold it down but that's not what I'm talking about.

As for cycling I understand they can catch a d man. I'm saying it is very rare that a player is going top speed inside of the zone when setting up a play. There are too many players and not enough space to do that. They would get out of control. They take quick strides and glide in order to have control of their feet, which allows them to get by defenders when they have the puck.

Ahh Push puck I get ya. Can understand that. Though I'm pretty sure they'll tune it, or at least allow us to tune it via sliders to feel better if it's off out of the box.

I don't think Rammer really meant top speed while cycling, just a quicker first step due to their being momentum down that the Dman would need to adjust. No more stopping and changing direction on a dime.

Eh still taking a show me the full game or Aug for the demo to really decide one way or the other stance. It's early still though.