NCAA Football 13 Gameplay Video - Georgia Tech vs Clemson (CPU vs. CPU)

[Gotmadskillzson]

Re: NCAA Football 13 CPU vs CPU Gameplay from E3 - Georgia Tech vs Clemson

Oh wow that made the game look really bad. The thing that stood out more than anything was how well and committed the WR's were to blocking. If we could just get the Wr's to block at all maybe it'll open the option game up a bit. As it stands the receivers lazily kind of run up field while the corners sprint into the backfield.

That is another problem. In the game the Corner Back on the play side is never blocked and simply runs directly around the WR at the snap of the ball into the back field. It is the same way with the play side OLB, he comes free into the back field as well, followed by the play side Safety. So at the snap of the ball you have 3 defenders unblocked running free into the backfield at the snap of the ball.

[GruffyMcGuiness]

Doesn't look much better than last year. The A-backs and WR's usually just whiff on their blocks. The life of a Tech fan on NCAA...

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[stylee]

Re: NCAA Football 13 CPU vs CPU Gameplay from E3 - Georgia Tech vs Clemson

I wish we could talk frankly with the designers about this sort of thing.
I wouldn't be abusive; I'd just like to know the rationale in running the A-Back so deep, or keeping him so far behing the QB in his pitch relationship, etc.

On the plus side, I saw a downfield cut block.

[Kaiser Wilhelm]

Re: NCAA Football 13 CPU vs CPU Gameplay from E3 - Georgia Tech vs Clemson

Credit to whoever made the decision to show us the AI running the Triple Option, however the Triple Option still looks impotent.

[Slaticus]

Re: NCAA Football 13 CPU vs CPU Gameplay from E3 - Georgia Tech vs Clemson

I swear, the demo WR blocking on option plays is much better. Odd.

[Tovarich]

Re: NCAA Football 13 CPU vs CPU Gameplay from E3 - Georgia Tech vs Clemson

Yeah, psychic defense will means that by the time you fake to the FB, your QB is generally toast already. You either get tackled for no gain, or a loss, or you have to pitch it far sooner than any real QB usually would. This doesn't look much better. Maybe it's a slight improvement, but it's still broken. The load option and the speed option are still fairly successful, but another year of not having triple option is unfortunate.

First play-neither WR even makes it look like they considered maybe possibly thinking about becoming interested in attempting to block anyone. Not that this is anything new. No linemen pulled. The fullback I'm going to hope was attempting to sell this is a play to the far side of the field as the reason he didn't block anyone. Linemen didn't pull though, nor did they leave any defensive linemen unblocked. Then that FB might have had someone to block if that linemen pulled with the play. Then there only would have been 4 defenders in the QB's face instantly before he even had the option of pitching.

2nd play. Mainly repeat, but slightly better. One linemen did seem to almost sorta kinda get to something resembling the 'second level', but the only success of the play is because the QB manages to get by the member of the secondary who is somehow in the backfield because the WR's managed to not get a hand on anyone again...for about 15 yards. That guy went after the pitchman rather than the QB, and guessed wrong. Happens all the time. On that note, I find one blip of positive in this. One of the main problems has always been that WR's are attempting to block someone 20 yards away rather than someone right in front of them. They let someone go right by them because there is someone deeper to block rather than dealing with the more imminent threat. Again, no pulling linemen. The cut blocking is something though I guess.

3rd play-play action pass. QB can scramble because the psychic defense knows a pass play is called. The box should be loaded with 8 or so defenders worried about the option. That's why Georgia Tech threw so many long TD passes last year...if the QB could manage to hit someone. The QB scrambled because suddenly there was no one for 15 yards as all 7 dropped back to defend the pass. Those guys in the secondary who were ready to gang tackle the QB the instant he finished faking to the FB are suddenly defending every receiver perfectly. Surely EA can find a better way to make the CPU defense competent than having them defend each play perfectly.

4th play-the blocking back to the short side of the field is in perfect position to help the RG and RT cut off the defensive line and the linebacker from getting outside, giving the RB at least a little bit of open space...then he suddenly, cuts back into the middle of the line?? allowing the two defensive linemen to magically get off their blocks and hit the runner. It's easy to wonder if the CPU knew the LB on the outside of the defensive line as the secondary didn't rush in this time.

5th play-no pulling linemen kills the offensive play. The DE commits to the FB?????? Why? That's for the DT's and one of the LB's. The 2 DT's, who by the way are too fast, know that the FB doesn't get the ball before they should, and they get off the block and get outside. The DE who for no good reason gets sucked in committing to the FB gets blocked, allowing the QB to get outside, but if the DT's still magically know that the FB didn't get the ball (I suspect like the CPU secondary, they respond to buttons), then this is pointless. A pulling linemen would have gotten out in front of them to block, allowing the play to actually go somewhere.

I won't get into Brad's comment about the stadium rocking even though it sounds exactly the same.

Same reason the zone read type stuff doesn't work-someone is supposed to remain unblocked...someone who has no chance of being fast enough to stop the play is purposely left unblocked by a pulling linemen so that he can block someone who does have a shot at stopping it.

Until EA understands that leaving people purposely unblocked is necessary, the triple option will never look realistic. On Heisman, the CPU knows what play you call. This is overcome-able if the linemen will pull and leave someone unblocked. Lots of teams know Georgia Tech is going to run an option play, and save for an occasional counter or fake, ultimately a defender is forced to pick one or the other. That didn't happen there except for one play. If the WR's will let people run by to block someone who is further downfield, then outside rushing will have very few breakaways.

The triple option is still terrible, maybe it's only 2% less terrible though.

[Playmakers]

Re: NCAA Football 13 CPU vs CPU Gameplay from E3 - Georgia Tech vs Clemson

RB skill should be set at 60 as default. There is just no threat for the cpu to bust a long run on the default 50 setting. Also, I have not seen a CPU pitch on an option go for positive yards yet while playing the demo or during the gameplay videos.

what are you basing this off if you don't mind me asking?

These are samples of long runs by the CPU RB on Default 50 in the last 2 versions of NCAA Football (12 & 11). You just have to study the sliders and figure out what settings open up their running game without having to make their RB's High powered.

NCAA Football 12 Video
TD: 42yd rush by HB #26

http://www.easports.com/media/play/video/81403364

NCAA Football 12 Video
TD: 30yd rush by W. Payton

http://www.easports.com/media/play/video/87405974

NCAA Football 12 Vid
23 yard rush by W. Payton

http://www.easports.com/media/play/video/87406014

NCAA Football 11 Video
TD: 56yd rush by T. Canidate

http://www.easports.com/media/play/video/95110015

In fact just based off the DEMO I'd say getting them to run the ball in NCAA 13 will only require a few minor tweaks and they will again remain at default 50 for me.

[arobbi3]

Re: NCAA Football 13 Gameplay Video - Georgia Tech vs Clemson (CPU vs. CPU)

I don't have any videos to show, but I've been playing with the slider set to 60 (AA) for the past few months and it seems like the backs try to avoid defenders more, don't miss holes as much, look for cutbacks, and use moves much more frequently rather than just running into them and hoping for the break tackle animation.

Those runs you provided are great, especially the 30 yd TD run. On the first and third run the back just runs straight and does not even attempt to make the defender miss, it works out though since he breaks the tackles, but what running back aims for defenders once he's in open field?

I may be over reacting a bit due to the poor running from the georgia tech fb on the dive and hb after receiving the pitch, but you are correct it's not as if the CPU is totally clueless running the ball. It's not so much the ability of the ball carrier that needs tuning moreso the vision/decision making.

[Playmakers]

Re: NCAA Football 13 Gameplay Video - Georgia Tech vs Clemson (CPU vs. CPU)

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Thank you EA for Finally showing the CPU Option Attack this year.

I'm going to go on record and say what i saw in that video was actually encouraging to me.

There are a few things in that video that some of you haven't taken into account...

1). The CPU QB doesn't seem brain dead this year which is the biggest reason why I think the CPU will run the Option a bit better this year.

2). If you haven't utilized the Human Defensive Gameplans in years past this year will be huge because there are two options that I believe will go a long way towards assisting the CPU Option Attack.

A). Set the Defensive Line to Conservative
B). Set the Option Defense to Conservative

I won't get into explaining these two gameplay sliders in full but they will potentially make a huge IMPACT this year when you face CPU Option Teams.

3). Human Run D Slider is most likely at default 50 + the Tackle Slider is at 50. Those two sliders combined together is strong enough out of the Box to actually compete with a Human controlled RB.

So you can't honestly expect the CPU RB to do much damage on his own vs those settings.

4). The Video also has the default Run Block slider being utilized....I don't need to go into detail as to how this will also help the CPU.

5). I've been very critical of EA's Option Attack in years past and I've had to spend countless hours simply editing ratings just to make it respectable for the CPU.

The difference is this year the only ratings i plan on tweaking are my own classic rosters for my gameply enjoyment. I think the Sliders alone this year will actually give enough boost to the CPU Option Teams that ratings edits aren't needed unless we are just wanting to fix rosters outside of what EA releases with the Default base rosters.

I understand what some of you are refering to in the video in regards to the negative plays.

But i believe if you think outside of the BOX for a second that video actually displays more postives than I've ever seen with the CPU Option Attack. If EA doesn't break the sliders like they did last year i don't see how some of guys can't be salivating at the mouth to tweak the gameplay and finally get the results we've been looking for since this game came to the 360/PS3 consoles.

As of right now I'm going to change my stance and say EA deserves a big kudos for giving us the foundation now to make the CPU offense a threat in both the air and on the ground. It's not going to happen out of the BOX but if you guys spend about 1-2 days this year on the sliders it looks like pretty much anyone can get the gameplay they desire IMO.

The only thing at this point that i don't like about the game which is out of my control is the Boring announcing and some of the faded out uniforms I've seen in the game.

I'm in no way giving them (EA) a free pass because I still feel as if this is NCAA 12.5 with a patch that should have been released last year after our complaints. But this years game has the best potential gameplay we've seen since last gen (NCAA 06).

[Skyboxer]

Re: NCAA Football 13 Gameplay Video - Georgia Tech vs Clemson (CPU vs. CPU)

Thank you EA for Finally showing the CPU Option Attack this year.

I'm going to go on record and say what i saw in that video was actually encouraging to me.

There are a few things in that video that some of you haven't taken into account...

1). The CPU QB doesn't seem brain dead this year which is the biggest reason why I think the CPU will run the Option a bit better this year.

2). If you haven't utilized the Human Defensive Gameplans in years past this year will be huge because there are two options that I believe will go a long way towards assisting the CPU Option Attack.

A). Set the Defensive Line to Conservative
B). Set the Option Defense to Conservative

I won't get into explaining these two gameplay sliders in full but they will potentially make a huge IMPACT this year when you face CPU Option Teams.

3). Human Run D Slider is most likely at default 50 + the Tackle Slider is at 50. Those two sliders combined together is strong enough out of the Box to actually compete with a Human controlled RB.

So you can't honestly expect the CPU RB to do much damage on his own vs those settings.

4). The Video also has the default Run Block slider being utilized....I don't need to go into detail as to how this will also help the CPU.

5). I've been very critical of EA's Option Attack in years past and I've had to spend countless hours simply editing ratings just to make it respectable for the CPU.

The difference is this year the only ratings i plan on tweaking are my own classic rosters for my gameply enjoyment. I think the Sliders alone this year will actually give enough boost to the CPU Option Teams that ratings edits aren't needed unless we are just wanting to fix rosters outside of what EA releases with the Default base rosters.

I understand what some of you are refering to in the video in regards to the negative plays.

But i believe if you think outside of the BOX for a second that video actually displays more postives than I've ever seen with the CPU Option Attack. If EA doesn't break the sliders like they did last year i don't see how some of guys can't be salivating at the mouth to tweak the gameplay and finally get the results we've been looking for since this game came to the 360/PS3 consoles.

As of right now I'm going to change my stance and say EA deserves a big kudos for giving us the foundation now to make the CPU offense a threat in both the air and on the ground. It's not going to happen out of the BOX but if you guys spend about 1-2 days this year on the sliders it looks like pretty much anyone can get the gameplay they desire IMO.

The only thing at this point that i don't like about the game which is out of my control is the Boring announcing and some of the faded out uniforms I've seen in the game.

I'm in no way giving them (EA) a free pass because I still feel as if this is NCAA 12.5 with a patch that should have been released last year after our complaints. But this years game has the best potential gameplay we've seen since last gen (NCAA 06).

Hope you're right man. I don't plan on getting this day 1 as I am waiting until a few weeks later to see what/if any issues occur and will grab it used.
If the option isn't a viable weapon by the CPU then it simply (for me) isn't even worth a look when it gets used.
This is college football.....

[bonannogiovanni]

I'd like to ask Christian if the option to finally introduce a playable broadcast cam was even remotely considered.

[Jadakiss88]

WR blocking has been the HUGEST issue for running on offense it's hit and miss and has been that way for a while. However, I have found it very apparent that the CPU logic is set that every first down play is a run no matter if it is or not. This game is pretty much NCAA 12.5 but nevertheless still fun as hell. The first GT Option play looked like this CPU logic hasn't changed much and it will bite on the run on every first down first play drive...IMO

[pdiehm]

Re: NCAA Football 13 CPU vs CPU Gameplay from E3 - Georgia Tech vs Clemson

Just skip to the 30 second mark. This how the option attack suppose to look like.

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How ever in EA Sports games, the Corner Backs, Safeties and Line Backers REACT INSTANTLY at the snap of the ball on running plays to the outside. So apparently read and react defense don't apply to the run defense. There is no false step, no hesitation at all by the defense. Snap of the ball, they just rush instantly to the ball at hike.

If you watch the above video, IN REAL LIFE, this don't happen. They don't react until they see what direction the ball carrier is running. And there isn't a swarm either by the safety or corner back on the side of the ball is run. Corner back be looking at the WR and don't instantly know the RB has the ball.

That is what makes the Option so deadly in real life. The fact that on defense, you don't know if they going to run to the left, run to the right or run up the middle. Because of this, you have a delay of where you suppose to run to and most of the time you end up being faked out and run to the left when the QB tossed it to the WB going to the right.

Option attack causes confusion. This confusion aspect is something EA Sports fails to capture.

Not to mention as far as I can tell the blocking scheme for option teams still is that of man blocking. True Option IMO is zone scheme with cut blocks, which is something you never see with the default rosters.

I bet you if you dove in and looked at the ratings, the default AWR, ACC, AGI, PUR ratings are far too high for most, if not all of the players.

[stylee]

Re: NCAA Football 13 Gameplay Video - Georgia Tech vs Clemson (CPU vs. CPU)

Georgia Tech, Navy, et al, do not have zone blocking as their default in real life, FWIW.

They all do zone block on occasion, but that's not the norm.