This game is not a must buy until they add Runtime Physics to blocking.

[ghettogeeksta]

The good news is that with the Infinity Engine Madden is headed in the right direction and I am excited about next-gen Madden. Watching these videos we all see how great the infinity engine can be.
The bad news is that they didn't add this technology to the most fundamental part of the game, blocking (and running). Which is why some of the same old bugs will remain in this game after many years.

Blockers still can't calculate defenders at approximately a 45 degree angle which is why outside/open field blocking will still remain flawed and this is why defensive-ends still don't get any pressure on the quarterback; because in order for d-ends to be blocked they have to be adjacent to the blockers. So the computer makes up for this by zooming the offensive tackles right in front of the d-ends. Sometimes you can get a 45 degree angle on a offensive tackle and they won't even attempt to touch you. The reason d-tackles get more pressure on the Qb is because they quickly engage with the guards and are able to perform a block shedding animation.
This is also why nano-blitzing is still in the game too!

So hopefully they will add run-time physics to the blocking in Madden 14. But for this Madden expect some great looking tackles, nice throws, and catches, but everything else will remain the same for the most part as far a gameplay goes.
So if you know and accept these terms (lol, not really terms) then you should have a great time playing Madden 13. But if you expect blocking, d-end pressures, open field blocking, and nano-blitzing to be greatly improved then you are in for a disappointment.
I going to rent this game before I buy like I have the past 4 years (in which i didn't end up buying the game) before I decide if I will buy or not. So consider this your warning.

[billylee0000]

Re: This game is not a must buy until they add Runtime Physics to blocking.

I have accepted these terms and I will be playing Madden when it comes out. On another note, why did u start this thread if u have two similar ones already?

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...changed-2.html

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-blocking.html

[MoGotti_]

Re: This game is not a must buy until they add Runtime Physics to blocking.

just give it time and stay hopeful. things will work out i believe in this madden team they are really pushing this game in the right direction.

[ghettogeeksta]

Re: This game is not a must buy until they add Runtime Physics to blocking.

I have accepted these terms and I will be playing Madden when it comes out. On another note, why did u start this thread if u have two similar ones already?

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...changed-2.html

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-blocking.html

The Ginn thread is completely different and the other thread was in another forum. Does this answer your question?

[roadman]

Re: This game is not a must buy until they add Runtime Physics to blocking.

The Ginn thread is completely different and the other thread was in another forum. Does this answer your question?

No, not really. We knew from the first webcast, two months ago, that OL did not receive an overhaul, just tuning and tweaking.

We do feel confident, that a former pro OL, is working in that area for now and in the future.

And you are correct in your expectations. I plan on supporting 13 for the efforts they made going for it all with rtp, and with the hopes of them working on OL/DL for Madden 14.

[berad88]

Re: This game is not a must buy until they add Runtime Physics to blocking.

I expect the complaints of the OP to be worked on in Madden 14. I know you generally hear that as the typical excuse but EA really seems to of made a massive overhaul to the game and is going in the right direction. It is unrealistic to expect them to be able to work on everything all at once.
I am glad to see the OP understands this and I think the future looks bright.

[themassacre771.1]

Re: This game is not a must buy until they add Runtime Physics to blocking.

No, not really. We knew from the first webcast, two months ago, that OL did not receive an overhaul, just tuning and tweaking.

We do feel confident, that a former pro OL, is working in that area for now and in the future.

[kevj349]

Re: This game is not a must buy until they add Runtime Physics to blocking.

I don't understand this expectation that Madden be perfectly tantamount to what we see on the field in real life. That is what they should strive for but you take it to another level.

You don't see people complaining that in COD sniper bullet trajectories don't change from long distance in the wind.

I'm not saying don't talk about things you want in the game but don't make it sound like great improvements don't matter.

[kevj349]

Re: This game is not a must buy until they add Runtime Physics to blocking.

OP this isn't specifically targeted at you, even though you suffer from Skip Bayless syndrome.

Skip Bayless syndrome- giving someone props for 5 seconds followed by a bashing that renders the initial prop bequeathment useless.

[raguel]

Re: This game is not a must buy until they add Runtime Physics to blocking.

While I agree with the OP in general, from some of the videos I've seen pulling linemen and fbs look a little better. I don't know if that's by chance (small sample size) or RTP has affected their movements. I can see myself buying Madden 13 if what I've seen in those videos are an accurate representation of the game. Otherwise I may pass on the game.

[Senator Palmer]

Re: This game is not a must buy until they add Runtime Physics to blocking.

I don't understand this expectation that Madden be perfectly tantamount to what we see on the field in real life. That is what they should strive for but you take it to another level.

You don't see people complaining that in COD sniper bullet trajectories don't change from long distance in the wind.

I'm not saying don't talk about things you want in the game but don't make it sound like great improvements don't matter.

Blocking is such a fundamental part of the game. Every football team you can think of from the lowest to the highest level must function proficiently in the trenches. For it to be wrong is inexcusable. For a Jared Allen to be interchangeable with a Glenn Dorsey is not in any way realistic. For a punter to be able to play on my offensive line and not be stoned every play is unacceptable. I don't care how pretty the rest of the game is.

If you don't have the elemental things that a real football is built on correct then you're just faking the funk. Everything else crumbles. There's nothing unreasonable about what the OP is asking this game to do.

And I don't know how the COD crowd gets down, but if they aren't talking about sniper trajectories changing with the wind, then they simply aren't as concerned with realism as this crowd.

[kjcheezhead]

Re: This game is not a must buy until they add Runtime Physics to blocking.

I went into E3 needing 3 things to be addressed for me to purchase. Blocking, passing and overall atmosphere. They worked on 2 out of 3 but watching the vids only confirmed what I already believed. This team isn't striving for realism anymore than the last.

If they are then blocking, footwork, momentum need to be compeletly reworked for any sense of realism at all. But if they wanted to achieve the sim/arcade hybred style game that was so popular with ps2 madden, I think this team succeeded in that regard.

[gamerk2]

Re: This game is not a must buy until they add Runtime Physics to blocking.

To be fair, blocking is hard to do right, and it is the first year in a new physics engine. The main problem is lack of any significant amount of blocking animations, so once you get outside a linemen, they have no blocking animations. Even a 'push to the outside' animation would be a HUGE help.

Also remember, Madden devs are limited by the ~8.5GB limit on the 360's DVD9 disk. Hence why I'm glad Madden is finally moving to a physics driven system (at least for tackling), as that frees disk space up to address other lacking areas [blocking chief among them].

[Hooe]

Re: This game is not a must buy until they add Runtime Physics to blocking.

Also remember, Madden devs are limited by the ~8.5GB limit on the 360's DVD9 disk. Hence why I'm glad Madden is finally moving to a physics driven system (at least for tackling), as that frees disk space up to address other lacking areas [blocking chief among them].

Madden is also limited by the dedicated 256MB RAM on the PS3 (of its 512MB of RAM) which may be used exclusively as video RAM (i.e. textures) and nothing more.

Neither console provides an advantage over the other for a multiplatform game, and platform-exclusive games take advantage of the hardware differently to achieve optimal results. On the whole there is no significant difference between the two consoles from a hardware perspective by which Madden is limited.

[Hooe]

Re: This game is not a must buy until they add Runtime Physics to blocking.

You don't see people complaining that in COD sniper bullet trajectories don't change from long distance in the wind.

Off-topic, but: yes you do, because the Battlefield series does take distance into account on sniper shots; people do complain about this.