What Madden NFL 13 Connected Careers Gives, Takes Away and Might Have (Kotaku)

[DNMHIII]

Re: What Madden NFL 13 Connected Careers Gives, Takes Away and Might Have (Kotaku)

@DNMHIII i agrees that it is supremely important to allow as much user control as possible. but they have to get the functionality stuff in before adding all the user control stuff

Roger that.....I think bucky60 and I are trying to point out that the proper design would be to build around features instead of disregarding them only to create more work for yourself later and at the same time create customer dissatisfaction. I'm suggesting that the planning and implementation of how CCM was handled is done very poorly thats all.

[moneal2001]

Re: What Madden NFL 13 Connected Careers Gives, Takes Away and Might Have (Kotaku)

completely agree with that DNMHIII

[CRMosier_LM]

Really?.........You've been able to edit rosters forever and then last year full editing within franchise was added because EA said they agreed that it was important to let people create their own experience without limitations.

Maybe the disconnect with users like you and I is much greater that I thought.

That's onions on a cheeseburger... To me you can still gave a cheeseburger without them (although I love onions on my cheeseburger)
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[mestevo]

Re: What Madden NFL 13 Connected Careers Gives, Takes Away and Might Have (Kotaku)

I agree with that as well, disagreements just generally come across so short and terse on forums... and I just disagree with some of the characterizations/interpretations of the problem. They ran out of time, or things weren't designed well... like most things the truth is probably somewhere in the middle and compromises had to be made.

It is what it is, the missing elements affect me very little if at all, but I sympathize.

[DNMHIII]

Re: What Madden NFL 13 Connected Careers Gives, Takes Away and Might Have (Kotaku)

That's onions on a cheeseburger... To me you can still gave a cheeseburger without them (although I love onions on my cheeseburger)
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Ok...well I prefer my girlfriend to have hair and teeth even though you can have one without them.....lol

Seriously though, you're telling me that editing isn't considered a core feature?

[CRMosier_LM]

I agree with that as well, disagreements just generally come across so short and terse on forums... and I just disagree with some of the characterizations/interpretations of the problem. They ran out of time, or things weren't designed well... like most things the truth is probably somewhere in the middle and compromises had to be made.

It is what it is, the missing elements affect me very little if at all, but I sympathize.

Me too, editing players is an important feature. However the way some are coming across is that you have to put that ahead of everything else (including Gameplay itself and game modes actually functioning properly) and that just isn't how things work. Also I.would be willing to bet that if they did stop work on say cpu trade logic to get editing in... They would be the first to throw a fit that trade logic Is wrong.

It's not an us vs them discussion, its about what is best for the Madden Community yet the majority of the complaints seek to be coming from a "me, me, me" perspective. I have accepted the fact that video game companies in general don't make games for "me specifically" they attempt to make them for everyone. Obviously that is impossible and not everyone will be happy but assuming that they should make a game for one crowd in particular is wholeheartedly incorrect
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[Yeats]

Re: What Madden NFL 13 Connected Careers Gives, Takes Away and Might Have (Kotaku)

Seriously though, you're telling me that editing isn't considered a core feature?

Given almost everyone who commented in the "Closed Nature" thread stated they're still buying the game, the answer is obviously no.

[jfsolo]

Re: What Madden NFL 13 Connected Careers Gives, Takes Away and Might Have (Kotaku)

You make a well-reasoned and compelling arguement here. But I'm not sold.

Someone posted this on another board in response to a post that was probably about 300 words, and I thought, on the internet this is about the best conclusion you can expect. People who legitimately enjoy exchanging ideas on a topic could continue the discussion, but most people should just go the "agree to disagree" route as soon as possible, because "I'm right, you're wrong" seems to be what's in most people's thoughts

It is what it is.

[Jukeman]

Given almost everyone who commented in the "Closed Nature" thread stated they're still buying the game, the answer is obviously no.

By that logic gameplay isn't a core feature then

Every body bought Madden in the last 10 years.

[PaleVermilion]

Re: What Madden NFL 13 Connected Careers Gives, Takes Away and Might Have (Kotaku)

All I know is that my biggest gripe with EA football games has been the gameplay. It seems like they are FINALLY starting to address that issue with this first phase of RTP. I don't care how many "features" a game has. If the gameplay sucks I won't be playing it. They're also moving a new direction with CCM, and I'm excited about the direction its going. Yeah it sucks certain stuff wasn't able to make it in this year, but it seems like they're trying to establish a new foundation for how franchise modes are played. Seems like they're finally trying to be innovative with this game. I'm all for that because its just been stale on this gen.

[Yeats]

Re: What Madden NFL 13 Connected Careers Gives, Takes Away and Might Have (Kotaku)

By that logic gameplay isn't a core feature then

LOL, clever.

[DNMHIII]

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All I know is that my biggest gripe with EA football games has been the gameplay. It seems like they are FINALLY starting to address that issue with this first phase of RTP. I don't care how many "features" a game has. If the gameplay sucks I won't be playing it. They're also moving a new direction with CCM, and I'm excited about the direction its going. Yeah it sucks certain stuff wasn't able to make it in this year, but it seems like they're trying to establish a new foundation for how franchise modes are played. Seems like they're finally trying to be innovative with this game. I'm all for that because its just been stale on this gen.

I think almost all of us agree with progression in gameplay is #1 and I haven't read anything about being unhappy with the new engine including myself. This thread is only about the CCM mode and how its lack of current features has stripped many users of playing the game as they've done in the past.

[Jukeman]

LOL, clever.

But on a serious note, I know a fella that buys NBA2k just to edit the gear on players. Make highlights and such.

Art is important to us humans.

[bucky60]

Re: What Madden NFL 13 Connected Careers Gives, Takes Away and Might Have (Kotaku)

It's not an us vs them discussion, its about what is best for the Madden Community

What's best for the Madden community is to stop continually removing and re-adding features. What's best for the community is to keep adding features and enhancing the product.

I've never owned an NFL2K game, so I'm not a fanboy of somebody elses product. All I care about is a good NFL game. I don't care who makes it. So my next statement isn't meant to trash EA/Tib, but is their management that bad that they continually reinvent the direction of the game, that features have to be continually removed? How can anybody not be upset at how they've handled the game? Every year we have OS'ers defending the "NEW FOUNDATION" for the future. And I just LOL.

[roadman]

Re: What Madden NFL 13 Connected Careers Gives, Takes Away and Might Have (Kotaku)

What's best for the Madden community is to stop continually removing and re-adding features. What's best for the community is to keep adding features and enhancing the product.

I've never owned an NFL2K game, so I'm not a fanboy of somebody elses product. All I care about is a good NFL game. I don't care who makes it. So my next statement isn't meant to trash EA/Tib, but is their management that bad that they continually reinvent the direction of the game, that features have to be continually removed? How can anybody not be upset at how they've handled the game? Every year we have OS'ers defending the "NEW FOUNDATION" for the future. And I just LOL.

What's good for the community is if said features work with new code of CCM. JF is right, this just keeps going around in circles and circles.

If said features were implemented and buggy, not playable, are you telling me you would not be complaining like you are now and just be quiet and play the buggy game?

What new foundation was laid out last year that features were removed?