NHL 13 Gameplay Video

[Qb]

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Pucks are flying with laser like precision when passed and they are STICKING TO THE PLAYER'S STICK - Sorry, but this is a load of crap. The puck never bounces off a stick, even when it's rifled to a player 5 feet away from him with max power behind the pass.

The magnetized passes are a MUST FIX. Passing is probably the most important feat in a hockey game, besides goalies, IMO.

The passing, in this video, looks no where near realistic by any means. Hopefully this video causes enough uproar to the point where EA realizes this, and can make some adjustments.

They know pass reception is borked and it's on the list of things to fix before release. We'll see how it turns out. I really hope it improves, as I can't take another year of rocket passing.

[jake19ny]

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Well after watching the video, the game does look improved and those 2 playing were clueless. I did see the things MK pointed out and they are a concern I even could not help but notice Brodeur still wearing the pads he wore 2 years ago....really? And MK was also right that they really screwed up NHL 12 with patches and tuners. That being said you other guys are also right it is in the early stage and Im guessing they played with no slider tweaks at all. I was one of those guys that bitched and moaned about the game never playing just like real hockey....guys give it up its never going to happen....I dont think it can. Its a video game and they are just never going to be able to duplicate all of the action and realistic physics of an NHL game, at least not any time soon. I enjoy the series so much more now that I lowered expectations a bit. Trust me I can list a bunch of problems with NHL 12 and I'm, sure I posted a ton after the game came out, but I was actually able to enjoy NHL 12 after I stripped it back down to its out of the box form and tweaked the sliders.I had hockey that was close enough to real for me to enjoy. The improvements I see in NHL 13 have me looking forward to it and maybe we will be that much closer to a more realistic game

[Yeats]

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I was one of those guys that bitched and moaned about the game never playing just like real hockey....guys give it up its never going to happen....I dont think it can. Its a video game and they are just never going to be able to duplicate all of the action and realistic physics of an NHL game, at least not any time soon. I enjoy the series so much more now that I lowered expectations a bit.

Good observations and point taken.

[timmymvp6]

at some parts i had to double check i wasn't watching a game on TV. Thats how good the game looked and the zajac goal looked great.

[gopher_guy]

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On the pass reception/lively puck front...

I'd love to see some pucks flipping up on end and having them sent way up high, even into the netting. Doesn't happen often, but it does happen where a player decides to take a shot instead of settling the puck down, and ends up missing badly.

[LuGer33]

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Given how terrible these guys were at the game, I'm going to *guess* they didn't change any settings, which means this video was played on the "Pro" Skill Level w/ the "Default" game style.

We all know online is played on "All-Star, Normal," so things like pass receptions, agility, game speed, puck control, etc. aren't really relevant, not that they really would be 3+ months before release anyway.

I played on "All-Star, Normal" all throughout the community event, and found passing to be much less laser-like and tape to tape than NHL 12. It wasn't as ridiculous as NHL 11, which IMO is a good thing because in that game, it wasn't possible to make a hard pass in the neutral zone from the faceoff circle w/o the puck bouncing off a Legend 3 player's stick. I found it to be a comfortable middle ground back in May, which is what I think people were hoping for...

[plaidchuck]

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So one slider being broken consists of a half completed game now? Seriously plaid, just don't buy 13. You and harshy can start a boycott EA club or something.

Well if you think the only problem with 12 is one slider then we are on two different wavelengths..

[plaidchuck]

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QFT.

Sad part is the EA fanboys defended the early footage of NHL 12 too, calling it amazing and that it would be the best NHL game yet.

Look at what happened.

Constructive criticism is a good thing, especially in an early build for a game coming out, not sure why some of you get so defensive.

Exactly. The progression of their comments is so predictable it's funny. Trailers come out- 'Best game eva!" Game videos/demo out (and are dissappointing) "it's still in alpha" Game comes out borked needing a day one patch "they don't have enough time for QA in a 10 month cycle" and then finally when things are still broken- "it's just a game it'll never be like real hockey"

[LuGer33]

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Exactly. The progression of their comments is so predictable it's funny. Trailers come out- 'Best game eva!" Game videos/demo out (and are dissappointing) "it's still in alpha" Game comes out borked needing a day one patch "they don't have enough time for QA in a 10 month cycle" and then finally when things are still broken- "it's just a game it'll never be like real hockey"

Calling NHL 12 broken is as bad as a fanboy calling it perfect. The progression of comments from "EA haters" are just as predictable and just as sad.

The game was "borked" when it came out? How so? And it's broken now? Sure, there are some elements to gameplay that are awful (figure skating puck control, bouncing off hits, some AI issues, etc.) but the game is hardly broken.

[RealmK]

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Exactly. The progression of their comments is so predictable it's funny. Trailers come out- 'Best game eva!" Game videos/demo out (and are dissappointing) "it's still in alpha" Game comes out borked needing a day one patch "they don't have enough time for QA in a 10 month cycle" and then finally when things are still broken- "it's just a game it'll never be like real hockey"

There's a difference between coming in a thread, and saying, I hope EA works to make the passing a bit more sloppy. And coming into a thread and saying EA IS THE SUX HALF A GAME!

No one, not one person on this board thinks NHL is perfect or without flaws or areas it needs improvement on. But you also need to be realistic about it, it's a yearly title, with about a 10 month cycle. ****'s not always going to work 100%, that's the reality of software development. You take the good with the bad, and really? The game is mostly good imo.

It's the same handful of trolls every year, and I'm sorry plaid the stuff you post on a regular basis is just flat out trolling for effect and not much else.

Money know's how to be constructive, bwiggy knows how to be constructive, there's not a damn thing wrong with pointing out flaws, we all know the game has it's share. But the **** you and harshy do is far from constructive.

[Vikes1]

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Exactly. That's really the crux of having a 10 month yearly cycle, you never have enough time to totally test what you're implementing for changes to see their effect on every other system in the game. I honestly think that's part of the reason they spent so much time on AI this year and added so many forecheck/backcheck strats.

It's just my opinion RealmK...but even though '12' apparently set first month sales records for the franchise, I'm still thinking EAC could kinda sense as well, that the game was losing a bit of it's momentum [in innovations] that had built up from '07'. Again...jmo.

Of course our board is just a small sample size, but even here...you could see some of the goodwill and faith in the game starting to fade. So thankfully it at least seems as though EA Vancouver is trying to reignite the games momentum with the useful upgrades to '13'.

I sure like hearing that they've apparently spent more time on the AI this year than the last three combined. But it does kinda make me think...huh? Umm...like, what the heck was going on '10'-'12'? But anyway...seems as though the fires may be burning again at EAC for my favorite sports game. Man...that demo can't come soon enough!

[mkharsh33]

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But the **** you and harshy do is far from constructive.

I spend half my life here at OS providing sliders, tons of rosters, and providing feedback on what I'm seeing in the numerous games I play. I'm very encouraging to those who do the same for the games I love to play, always making sure to be thankful and appreciative for those efforts. I may not be the most constructively-eloquent in how I present my thoughts here, but don't call me out as a bad person. I've done a LOT for this community during the few years I've been here. This nonsense from you should really stop, as all you're doing is perpetuating this idea that your opinion is right and everyone who disagrees with you is wrong. Not true...

[ManiacMatt1782]

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HUGE ISSUE I can see already that disturbs me (outside of the magnetized puck to the stick):

Pucks are flying with laser like precision when passed and they are STICKING TO THE PLAYER'S STICK - Sorry, but this is a load of crap. The puck never bounces off a stick, even when it's rifled to a player 5 feet away from him with max power behind the pass.

If this is what EA believes to be an improvement, I'm sorry but this is an utter joke. There is NOTHING in that video that tells me things will improve. Maybe sliders can fix things - but we've been down this road before where slider tweaks for PASSING mean very little.

Not trying to be mean about this, but even you guys that love hockey would have to admit this looks really bad right now... I have no hope whatsoever after reviewing this video clip. The speed of guys flying through the offensive zone is bothersome as well... Oh well...

one of my biggest gripes as well

[letsgopens66]

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So, to recap this fine thread...

- if you see anything wrong with the game, point out any flaws, notice that the passing system is still the same... You're a "nitpicker", "overly fanatical", "unrealistic", "need to calm down" ... things like this. In simple terms, you're blind and ignorant, a pessimist who should leave OS & be excommunicated.

- if you defend the game, knowing that it's largely the same stuff year in and year out... You're "centered", "respected", "exhibit great patience", "supportive (though clearly NOT an EA apologist)" ... things like this. In simple terms, you're wise and noble, an optimist who should be revered.

It's funny that this turned into an EA vs. 2K debate (at times) - of which I never ever mentioned 2K for a millisecond. But even if this is an "alpha" build - if the idea is smarter AI and more simulation-like hockey, wouldn't EA have at least tuned down the rocket passing & magnetized sticks just a LITTLE BIT??? If this was an NBA or College Hoops game - would passing the ball 500 mph to a guy only 4 feet away, ALWAYS catching those passes (which are always dead on center)... or an NFL or College Football game where the QB passed the ball to his RB in the flats at those same speed and distances - would this really be acceptable??? Come on, that's a joke.

But see, you're only telling half the story. In your original post, you called this game an "utter joke" already, which is unfair. Then you went on to say something along the lines of "Even real hockey fans should should notice how bad the game is." It's just lame when people play that card, because I'm sure as hell a really hockey fan. I watch all the Pens games. I get into the strategy. I keep up with the farm team. But I'll still enjoy NHL 13. When you indirectly insult people's hockey knowledge, it's bound to piss a few people off.

[bwiggy33]

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To me I just think the best way to look at NHL 13 is

1. It's not going to live up to completely realistic play that we see in real life. That's just the way it is, and it probably will never happen. I've finally started to realize that because hockey is just too complicated and has way too many things that happen during the game.

2. It's just one video from E3 that I'm sure was scaled so that rocket passing was still in to emphasize other gameplay elements (At least that better be why)

3. We have so many other videos, info, and a demo to come out that judging it off this one video isn't the greatest thing to do. I'm trying not to but it's extremely hard. I will be incredibly disappointed though if the same issues that we all spoke about in NHL 12 (rocket passing, pass reception) are not fixed for 13.

Overall the game does look better as of now and rocket passing still has me incredibly concerned but who really knows. I really think it's a wait and see approach. If things like rocket passing aren't fixed the only choice is to not buy the game. It sucks because it's our only option but if that's what it comes down to don't waste your money. Hell I'm still not completely sold on the game yet. The AI and skating look great but I'm still really skeptical on the goalies and rocket passing. If I find I don't like what I'm seeing or the demo feels the same as NHL 12 and the other iterations, then I probably won't buy the game. However, going the entire year without a new hockey game would be extremely difficult.

All in all it really sucks going into a new game and not fully knowing what you are going to get. I would prefer if it was a really good game that they just had to keep tweaking things, and adding things to Be A GM or other modes. It would make buying the game so much easier. I just have that comfortable feeling with The Show that I know what I'm going to get each year and I'm fully committed to buying the game knowing it's going to be good. I really wish NHL was this way but I don't think it will ever get to that point.