NHL 13 Gameplay Video

[RealmK]

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But see, you're only telling half the story. In your original post, you called this game an "utter joke" already, which is unfair. Then you went on to say something along the lines of "Even real hockey fans should should notice how bad the game is." It's just lame when people play that card, because I'm sure as hell a really hockey fan. I watch all the Pens games. I get into the strategy. I keep up with the farm team. But I'll still enjoy NHL 13. When you indirectly insult people's hockey knowledge, it's bound to piss a few people off.

This. Like I said, there's ways to go about pointing out flaws without coming off as a total snarky douche.

[RealmK]

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To me I just think the best way to look at NHL 13 is

1. It's not going to live up to completely realistic play that we see in real life. That's just the way it is, and it probably will never happen. I've finally started to realize that because hockey is just too complicated and has way too many things that happen during the game.

2. It's just one video from E3 that I'm sure was scaled so that rocket passing was still in to emphasize other gameplay elements (At least that better be why)

3. We have so many other videos, info, and a demo to come out that judging it off this one video isn't the greatest thing to do. I'm trying not to but it's extremely hard. I will be incredibly disappointed though if the same issues that we all spoke about in NHL 12 (rocket passing, pass reception) are not fixed for 13.

Overall the game does look better as of now and rocket passing still has me incredibly concerned but who really knows. I really think it's a wait and see approach. If things like rocket passing aren't fixed the only choice is to not buy the game. It sucks because it's our only option but if that's what it comes down to don't waste your money. Hell I'm still not completely sold on the game yet. The AI and skating look great but I'm still really skeptical on the goalies and rocket passing. If I find I don't like what I'm seeing or the demo feels the same as NHL 12 and the other iterations, then I probably won't buy the game. However, going the entire year without a new hockey game would be extremely difficult.

All in all it really sucks going into a new game and not fully knowing what you are going to get. I would prefer if it was a really good game that they just had to keep tweaking things, and adding things to Be A GM or other modes. It would make buying the game so much easier. I just have that comfortable feeling with The Show that I know what I'm going to get each year and I'm fully committed to buying the game knowing it's going to be good. I really wish NHL was this way but I don't think it will ever get to that point.

I think that's fair, I'm not at all keen on the tape to tape passes either, and really hope this is just an indication of a work in progress early build, and hearing QB mention EAC is aware of the pass reception slider issues, and really how could they not be with the game having been out in the wild for almost a full cycle now. Leads me to believe it'll either be adjusted, or that may be once again one element of the game we'll be disappointed it.

It's never going to be 100% sim. Once one realizes that as fact and just enjoys it for what it is, it goes down a bit easier I suppose? I dunno.

There's things about the game that bug me, it's far from perfect as I've said time and time again, but at the end of the day, I have fun playing it and I get a challenge out of Superstar, which is I think what's important, at least for me tending to be a bit more forgiving than certain people.

[Fiddy]

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This nonsense from you should really stop, as all you're doing is perpetuating this idea that your opinion is right and everyone who disagrees with you is wrong. Not true...

thats all he does.. well then name calls as well!!

see..

This. Like I said, there's ways to go about pointing out flaws without coming off as a total snarky douche.

kudos to guys like mk who make the community here a bit better with all his rosters and sliders for multiple games.

keep up the great work man as well as posting your thoughts the way you do.

[RealmK]

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thats all he does.. well then name calls as well!!

see..



kudos to guys like mk who make the community here a bit better with all his rosters and sliders for multiple games.

keep up the great work man as well as posting your thoughts the way you do.

For example I give you Fids.

[TheMatrix31]

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You guys need to stop. Now. Many of you have multiple warnings over the last couple of years. I don't want to start handing out reds.

[ChaseB]

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QFT.

Sad part is the EA fanboys defended the early footage of NHL 12 too, calling it amazing and that it would be the best NHL game yet.

Look at what happened.

Constructive criticism is a good thing, especially in an early build for a game coming out, not sure why some of you get so defensive.

I didn't really see much constructive criticism in the thread sans a post or two...

Just a bunch of people at each other's throats and various raging/name calling.

[savoie2006]

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Sad because no one really knows how great or bad NHL 13 is going to be at this point. We haven't seen much to really make us believe one way or the other. I would say at this point , I feel it will be better than NHL 12. Alot better? Maybe, maybe not. For the record NHL 12 was the best of the NHL series...on paper. The problem was some of the implementation was poor.

[MizzouRah]

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Keep it civil, I like all the great hockey fans we have in this forum.. the only forum on OS I visit on a regular basis throughout the day.

We all want a great hockey game, honestly.. that's all we want and it's ok to be unhappy with the past few versions as well as be giddy for the next version.

[sccavs64]

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The slider is broken in 12. it worked fine in 11 imo. Heck even in 12 if you pressure the cpu enough and finish checks, they do panic and miss passes just not enough. Really the game is at the point with between the new skating, and such it just needs more tuning so that sliders have more of a drastic effect for the offline sim guys, or the sliders have a higher range of clicks.

Oh I still play 11, I never bought 12. Was unaware this slider was broken in 12 that's a shame, offense is too easy without any bad passes

[RealmK]

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Sad because no one really knows how great or bad NHL 13 is going to be at this point. We haven't seen much to really make us believe one way or the other. I would say at this point , I feel it will be better than NHL 12. Alot better? Maybe, maybe not. For the record NHL 12 was the best of the NHL series...on paper. The problem was some of the implementation was poor.

It can't be worse than 12 I don't think. The skating and AI alone should improve the offline game substantially. Granted the jury is still way out on passing and GM logic, they've made that claim before on GM CPU logic and it ended up not being exactly accurate to put it nicely.

I think the gameplay itself will be an improvement on the whole, the jury is obviously still out on how they're going to handle passes being too accurate, at least from the alpha footage we've seen so far. But again it's not a finished product with nearly 3 months left of polish to go.

Hence my wait and see attitude and not stressing until we either have a demo and physical proof that passing is still not where it should be.

To be honest I'm more worried about GM logic/CPU Trade logic/line logic, because like I've said, we've heard it before that it was fixed and it hasn't been thus far this entire console generation. If there's one thing that truly does annoy me about the EA NHL series it's that right there.

[Bloop33]

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I agree with RealmK, the gameplay can't be worse in any way with the improvements. The only problem I see so far is Stamkos made Brett Clark look like a bantam-age player in the alpha video, but, it is Brett Clark, and the defensive user wasn't trying to show the ability of the defenceman.

Hopefully they'll find a happy medium so the top 20 players in the league don't destroy every defenceman.

The real question is the AI IQ. Hopefully rebuilding teams can change their strategies to fit their team. I want teams to have personality, I want to have to shut down opposing players with my top defensive payers, and I want to have my 4th line be scored on more often than not if I leave them out against the top unit of the opposing team.

[bwiggy33]

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I agree with RealmK, the gameplay can't be worse in any way with the improvements. The only problem I see so far is Stamkos made Brett Clark look like a bantam-age player in the alpha video, but, it is Brett Clark, and the defensive user wasn't trying to show the ability of the defenceman.

Hopefully they'll find a happy medium so the top 20 players in the league don't destroy every defenceman.

The real question is the AI IQ. Hopefully rebuilding teams can change their strategies to fit their team. I want teams to have personality, I want to have to shut down opposing players with my top defensive payers, and I want to have my 4th line be scored on more often than not if I leave them out against the top unit of the opposing team.

Fully agree. That's one of the major things this game lacks. I believe player separation and team separation/strategies/talent go hand in hand with each other. If Crosby, Ovechkin, Datsyuk, Malkin, Stamkos, etc. all show that they are elite and more talented then everyone else in this game, then the teams should play how they are in real life. Where the Pens have more than one star player and should dominate games and the Lightning for example only have one superstar and the supporting cast isn't quite as talented (besides St. Louis and Lecavlier). The Lightning should dominate while Stamkos is on the ice but be a little more on their heels when their 2nd, 3rd, and 4th lines are out.

However, this coaching thing could throw a bone into all of this. If different coaches have different styles I don't want a more defensive style coach go to a team with a crap load of talent like the Pens. Obviously this is just me talking before we have found out what the coaching thing is all about but all in all team separation is an absolute must. I don't think I can go another year with this game if I can't tell the difference between the Islanders and the Kings.

[RealmK]

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Fully agree. That's one of the major things this game lacks. I believe player separation and team separation/strategies/talent go hand in hand with each other. If Crosby, Ovechkin, Datsyuk, Malkin, Stamkos, etc. all show that they are elite and more talented then everyone else in this game, then the teams should play how they are in real life. Where the Pens have more than one star player and should dominate games and the Lightning for example only have one superstar and the supporting cast isn't quite as talented (besides St. Louis and Lecavlier). The Lightning should dominate while Stamkos is on the ice but be a little more on their heels when their 2nd, 3rd, and 4th lines are out.

However, this coaching thing could throw a bone into all of this. If different coaches have different styles I don't want a more defensive style coach go to a team with a crap load of talent like the Pens. Obviously this is just me talking before we have found out what the coaching thing is all about but all in all team separation is an absolute must. I don't think I can go another year with this game if I can't tell the difference between the Islanders and the Kings.

Couldn't have put it better myself. I really hope the GM Brain or whatever they're calling it, actually has a brain and utilizes it's player strengths and weaknesses when setting strategies/lines etc. What they're proposing has a ton of potential to totally change the offline game to go with the new skating.

It remains to be seen however where they go with tuning. I hate this time of year to be honest, September is still too far off.

[Bloop33]

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Exactly. I know that personally (and hope this doesn't kill me on any GM Connected leagues) I always build a defence-first team, so will be playing some form of the trap. If I play against Pittsburgh and they are also trapping, I will be very upset, because clearly they are an offensive team.

I just hope that 10 seasons into a GM Mode, if, for example, Detroit winds up rebuilding, that they change up their strategies to best fit their new team mold, OR, the players they draft and trade for, fit the puck possession type game they currently play.

[Chad0034]

I just hope they scaled passing up a lot to appeal to the new people at E3 and show off the skating. I remember last year when the incorporated the ability to break the glass, the team at E3 made it so the glass would literally break every couple shifts, just to show off the fact that they put it in the game.

I can only HOPE that's the reason, because we all know sliders can only take care of a small matter, and that's usually only offline.

They still do have like 5 weeks left in the dev cycle, and I hope they saw the feedback from that clip. It's been an overwhelmingly high amount of people talking about the rocket passing sticking like glue to the sticks.

If they change that, I believe this will be my favorite NHL to date. Passing is such a large part of the game however, so without that fixed, the game will be average imo