Five Reasons to Be Excited for NCAA 13: #4 Scouting Gems and Busts

[Jakeboutte]

This is a Greta feature! Stoked for 13!!!

[TDenverFan]

Re: Five Reasons to Be Excited for NCAA 13: #4 Scouting Gems and Busts

No, I read that there are BIG swings. I read somewhere the swing is as high as 20-22 pts.
I think a gem/bust will be so if there is a -/+ 6 Ovr pts.

Cool. Good to know.

[jkra0512]

I've wanted this for years. Scouting players is a huge deal in college sports, and I love the huge point swings a recruit can take. It makes the mode deeper and more interesting than the roulette and blind point-giving. Hopefully, this spruces things up on that front, because the past few years, I've ended up letting the CPU take over my recruiting, as it was a snooze-fest.

Does anyone remember the old EA Sports NCAA Baseball recruiting? Where they had a graph showing where the player is now compared to his peers, and as you got better as a coach, you can see where he could compare in a few years. For instance, you might have a guy who is great starting out as a freshman, but as everyone catches up to him, he'll be a middle-of-the-road type, who will get lost amongst the crowd. Conversely, you might take a flier on a guy who has good peripherals, but doesn't have the measurables yet, and he becomes a stud his junior and senior years. I wish they would do something similar to this with a few tweaks to bring it up to date. I know they have a progression system now, but it's nearly impossible to at least forecast where a player/recruit will end up...even if you give them loads of playing time.

[patsfan1993]

Re: Five Reasons to Be Excited for NCAA 13: #4 Scouting Gems and Busts

This has the potential to be a fantastic addition, but I want to see how it is done. I am concerned the CPU will "know" the gems and busts, and thus indicate who they are by having the CPU recruit players they should/shouldn't given their respective star ratings.

I.E. FSU, Bama, USC, OU, etc recruits a 1 star QB; or nobody but bottom tier Sun belt schools recruiting a 5 star QB.

If that doesn't happen this will be a welcomed addition.

[BoomerSooner11]

Re: Five Reasons to Be Excited for NCAA 13: #4 Scouting Gems and Busts

This has got me really excited, I've been wanting this for years.

[BigSho31]

My mind is all over the place with this post so bear with me:

1. Does anyone actually believe that the ratings matter as it relates to gameplay? A WR rated at 75 is not that much different than a 90 rated guy. It matters with QBs, but honestly, I don't see the rating difference throughout each postion.

2. Does this mean that it will still take 45 min - 1 hour to recruit? Recruiting has become a real chore for me and it takes away from the game. I remember back in the day I could get a whole season done in about a day or so...now it takes forever.

3. If this does work as intended, wont it mean that we can just scout 3-4 star recruits and get a good coach instead of focusing on 5-star guys?

[BenGerman]

Re: Five Reasons to Be Excited for NCAA 13: #4 Scouting Gems and Busts

I still think this is one game where a potential rating could really be beneficial. That way, when recruiting, you'd have to ask yourself "Do I go after this guy who is ready to play but has a lower ceiling, or do I go after this project who is no where near ready, but has the potential of a great player?"

[BadAssHskr]

Re: Five Reasons to Be Excited for NCAA 13: #4 Scouting Gems and Busts

Not really sure I like that they are labelled as busts or gems before they even play a down. Will busts still turn into stars if they are successful or can gems be slow in progression as they age?

this is what i'm wondering too.

all be it, it's a bit confusing to me. take the posted pic, the highlighted guy has an OVR of 80. does that mean once he signs he might come in as a 60, or then again potentially come in as a 90?

so you recruit as you did last year, then just wait and see?

i do agree though, it makes recruiting more interesting and life like with the bust potential. God knows we've seen a ton of it at QB in Neb.

[Aggies7]

This should be a great addition. Hopefully will prevent teams from becoming powerhouses in one year.

[BenGerman]

Re: Five Reasons to Be Excited for NCAA 13: #4 Scouting Gems and Busts

My mind is all over the place with this post so bear with me:

1. Does anyone actually believe that the ratings matter as it relates to gameplay? A WR rated at 75 is not that much different than a 90 rated guy. It matters with QBs, but honestly, I don't see the rating difference throughout each postion.

2. Does this mean that it will still take 45 min - 1 hour to recruit? Recruiting has become a real chore for me and it takes away from the game. I remember back in the day I could get a whole season done in about a day or so...now it takes forever.

3. If this does work as intended, wont it mean that we can just scout 3-4 star recruits and get a good coach instead of focusing on 5-star guys?

1. I think it remains to be seen. Over the last couple of years, we've seen ratings matter a little more with each addition to the series. But if a WR's Route Running attribute only contributes to how often he slips, or if Block Ratings don't matter, than yes, recruiting is almost senseless. It was like this for me last year, as recruiting a good OL or DL was pointless.

2. You could just use quick call if its that bothersome. If ratings really matter, I could see myself sinking a half hour or more into recruiting every week.

3. I don't think thats how it will work. Even with a great coach, progression can only be so fast. If a guy comes in at a 70, even with great coaching, he's not likely to make it past an 85 or so by his senior year. A 5 star guy with a poor coach is likely to start out at around an 80 and end up around a 90. At least, that was my experience last year.

[illwill10]

Re: Five Reasons to Be Excited for NCAA 13: #4 Scouting Gems and Busts

this is what i'm wondering too.

all be it, it's a bit confusing to me. take the posted pic, the highlighted guy has an OVR of 80. does that mean once he signs he might come in as a 60, or then again potentially come in as a 90?

so you recruit as you did last year, then just wait and see?

i do agree though, it makes recruiting more interesting and life like with the bust potential. God knows we've seen a ton of it at QB in Neb.

Unless you dont scout a player, you will know what his new/correct OVR is before you sign them. So if you dont scout a player, most likely he will either surprise you or disappoint you.

[cparrish]

Re: Five Reasons to Be Excited for NCAA 13: #4 Scouting Gems and Busts

1. Does anyone actually believe that the ratings matter as it relates to gameplay? A WR rated at 75 is not that much different than a 90 rated guy. It matters with QBs, but honestly, I don't see the rating difference throughout each position.

This is no different than the college football you watch on TV. Eric Page amassed over 300 catches in his first three years at Toledo only to declare for the draft early and not get drafted. The kid dominated the MAC for three years but didn't have the physical abilities to be drafted by the NFL. Do not always go off the overall ratings. It is just a fictitious numerical rating the game comes up with.

2. Does this mean that it will still take 45 min - 1 hour to recruit? Recruiting has become a real chore for me and it takes away from the game. I remember back in the day I could get a whole season done in about a day or so...now it takes forever.

Recruiting has and will always be the best part of NCAA to me. It sounds like you should just let the CPU recruit for you to make it go by faster.

[jfsolo]

Re: Five Reasons to Be Excited for NCAA 13: #4 Scouting Gems and Busts

The presence of these players is great, seeing the Overall before they get on your team, and having the game label them gems or busts, is not so great. During scouting you should just see the shifts in their individual ratings while the OVR remains hidden. If you see a WR's catching rating go from 75 to 55 you can make your own determination that he may end up being a bust.

So this is a solid addition, even if they're holding our hand a bit too much with its implementation.

[BigSho31]

This is no different than the college football you watch on TV. Eric Page amassed over 300 catches in his first three years at Toledo only to declare for the draft early and not get drafted. The kid dominated the MAC for three years but didn't have the physical abilities to be drafted by the NFL. Do not always go off the overall ratings. It is just a fictitious numerical rating the game comes up with.



Recruiting has and will always be the best part of NCAA to me. It sounds like you should just let the CPU recruit for you to make it go by faster.

I love to recruit...the problem I've had with the game over the past couple years is not being able to pass because my offensive line sucks. Then I go and get better OL and they still don't pass block worth a crap. So if the ratings don't work, then there's really no point in recruiting. Right?

[cparrish]

Re: Five Reasons to Be Excited for NCAA 13: #4 Scouting Gems and Busts

3. I don't think thats how it will work. Even with a great coach, progression can only be so fast. If a guy comes in at a 70, even with great coaching, he's not likely to make it past an 85 or so by his senior year. A 5 star guy with a poor coach is likely to start out at around an 80 and end up around a 90. At least, that was my experience last year.

You are correct. While testing my rosters last week, the four QBs I followed progressed as this.

• Mariota (Oregon) 79 to 93
• Ely (Alabama) 73 to 86
• Hirschman (Colorado) 69 to 80
• Driskel (Florida) 75 to 85

This was with coaching contracts turned off by the way.