Madden NFL 13 Roster Editing Issue Rears Its Ugly Head

[bucs34236]

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if 2k had the nfl license madden would be like the nba live series.

[roadman]

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if 2k had the nfl license madden would be like the nba live series.

And this has what to do with roster editing?

[DeuceDouglas]

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Roger that.....If they're not affected they probably don't understand though and when they defend EA its frustrating for some people. For example; I wouldn't expect someone that does play now by themselves at home or an online guy that only likes to jump on and play against friends/randoms to understand why people would be upset about custom playebooks and editing not being available because both those users don't use the game the same way others do. Removing the features they've removed was a major screw up, but I'm talking about other things outside of even 13 where people defend EA for stuff like KISS shoulder pads on NCAA imported players for example.

I'm not saying everyone should agree, I'm just surprised at how much support EA gets from some people even when they drop the ball.

A lot of people really don't understand but at the same time I think a lot of people do. I wouldn't say I'm greatly affected by the removal of the features but it's not because I didn't use or love them. It's just that with everything else I've seen it's done a great job making what could be a major disappointment seemingly non-existent. Some people feel the exact opposite.

I don't defend the removal of features and I don't really see a reason why anybody would. The main things I defend is when things get taken to the absolute extreme and are greatly exaggerated to try and make a point. And I'm not talking about the issue itself. You can't exaggerate 111 pages and countless posts in other threads. I'm talking about the claims of QB's wearing numbers in the 40's and looking like offensive linemen, punters looking like defensive tackles, etc.

[DeuceDouglas]

Re: Madden NFL 13 Roster Editing Issue Rears Its Ugly Head

if 2k had the nfl license madden would be like the nba live series.

Just when I thought we were getting back on track.

[Pared]

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We ARE getting back on track.

[raguel]

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We ARE getting back on track.

I believe that's true. Improvements just seem so slow and [pc]subobtimal[/pc].

[CRMosier_LM]

I completely agree with this. In addition, who cares what Donny Moore thinks in the first place! I mean really, we've always been able to edit a roster outside of franchise and then start a franchise and it should be no different with CCM.

Edit: I'm not trying to rip on Donny Moore at all, I'm just pointing out that we all shouldn't be forced to live with his opinions thats all.

For the record.... All ratings in every sports game are someone's opinion. Opinions based on hard data and variables.

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[Jdoug312]

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For the record.... All ratings in every sports game are someone's opinion. Opinions based on hard data and variables.

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Yeah but in 2k if we don't like how the insider rates, we can edit rosters ourselves without having to give up playing association, or myplayer, or anything else.

[CRMosier_LM]

Yeah but in 2k if we don't like how the insider rates, we can edit rosters ourselves without having to give up playing association, or myplayer, or anything else.

Yep you can. But not in Madden this year... It is what it is.

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[kehlis]

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Yep you can. But not in Madden this year... It is what it is.

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Right, that was the point of his post though.

No one ever refuted the fact that ratings in every game are someone elses opinion so I don't understand the point in even bringing that up.

[DNMHIII]

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For the record.... All ratings in every sports game are someone's opinion. Opinions based on hard data and variables.

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I understand that, it doesn't mean that we have go agree with them especially when they get tweaked to manipulate the OVR rating and also the teams OVR.

I couldn't care less what Donny Moore thinks the 49er roster should be and having the option to tweak the attributes to better represent the players on the roster was great because I wasn't at the mercy of his opinion. With CCM, and its current limitations, everyone is at the mercy of one person and I think that straight up sucks.

[roadman]

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I understand that, it doesn't mean that we have go agree with them especially when they get tweaked to manipulate the OVR rating and also the teams OVR.

I couldn't care less what Donny Moore thinks the 49er roster should be and having the option to tweak the attributes to better represent the players on the roster was great because I wasn't at the mercy of his opinion. With CCM, and its current limitations, everyone is at the mercy of one person and I think that straight up sucks.

A few things.

1) The person could be Joe Ratings person, the person will still be praised and criticized from all players alike.

2) The OL ratings were complied by Clint Oldenberg, former NFL OL. He should help out in that area.

PS-Understand about not being able to play around or edit the ratings this year. That is a tough nut to crack.

[DNMHIII]

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A few things.

1) The person could be Joe Ratings person, the person will still be praised and criticized from all players alike.

2) The OL ratings were complied by Clint Oldenberg, former NFL OL. He should help out in that area.

PS-Understand about not being able to play around or edit the ratings this year. That is a tough nut to crack.

Oh totally....it has nothing to do with Donny Moore at all because it could be anybody and someone has to put their name on it. The biggest issue that I've had with ratings is that they're manipulated to keep players and teams OVR in check and that messes stuff up IMO. I really appreciate the effort last year to put editing in franchise because it made my opinion on ratings important and relative, without that ability I'm at the mercy of whoever.

I'm a peacock and you gotta let me fly.......lol

[Big FN Deal]

Re: Madden NFL 13 Roster Editing Issue Rears Its Ugly Head

For the record.... All ratings in every sports game are someone's opinion. Opinions based on hard data and variables.

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This is one of my personal Madden crusades, so I felt compelled to comment.

Every NFL player has hard unbiased numbers/data that can be used, in a standard formula, to create player ratings in Madden. If that was done, the only thing subjective would be the parameters of the standard formula, not the ratings themselves, which is potentially less controversial and easier to acquire a consensus around.

None of the ratings in Madden should be subjective, they should all be calculated using agreed on universal formula(s) and data. So if Donny Moore and the ratings "team" decide that AWR should be based on the Wonderlic Test and a players number of years in the NFL, converted into a 0-100 scale rating for every single player, AWR is no longer subjective.

Maybe this kind of stuff happens in every sports game but I am a NFL gamer primarily so Madden is the only one I care about enough to notice. It seems to me like EA/Tiburon is rife with departments intent on making creating a NFL football game harder than it has to be from marketing, to R&D, to ratings. I am sure there are enough challenges to sports game development without these departments needing to make themselves overly relevant. R&D-find ways to copy NFL football in Madden, marketing-sell the NFL football in Madden and ratings-create base formula(s) to input NFL football player data to achieve a universal scale. /rant

[briz1744]

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For the record.... All ratings in every sports game are someone's opinion. Opinions based on hard data and variables.

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The ratings may be researched and hard data used in their implementation but are ultimately no more than an opinion , even speed isn't calculated from strictly hard data bu using 40 times and then adjusting for 'game speed'. A fairly arbitary and subjective concept
This is not to criticize donny moore just to point out that ratings in madden are calculated more as an art form than by hard science and thus peoples opinions will always vary
And all this before we get unto the subject of how individual attributes are massaged to fit in with a pre- conceived idea of the value of a particular players overall rating