Lack of info for Madden 13 Vita

[huskerwr38]

The lack of info for Madden 13 for the PS Vita has become very frustrating. The only thing we really know for sure is the release date and the fact that the game will probably be based on Madden 12 and not M13 for consoles. I have tried contacting the devs on twitter to give any info about the Madden Vita numerous times. I have researched and have come up with little info. To me, this means they they probably aren't proud of the game or something. Because if they were, then we would have heard SOMETHING by now. I mean, we have two months before launch date and we literally have not heard any official word on this game. Very frustrating!

[fsufan4423]

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I'm not expecting much from Madden on the Vita. I mean The Show was decent, and that's coming from a company that makes a hell of a game.

[ZoneKIller]

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http://us.playstation.com/psvita/games-and-media/psv-madden-nfl-13.html

I had started a thread about the Vitas version and someone posted this link.Hope it helps.

[mrprice33]

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They haven't shown a single screenshot or video yet. I'd say that's a bad sign.

[fsufan4423]

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Hope EA does like The Show and offer a two for one deal

[Afrikan]

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Hope EA does like The Show and offer a two for one deal

your best bet is to pre-order Madden console version for $45 and get the Vita version for the normal price of $39.99.

or at least that is what I'm going to do because I want the Digital version of Madden Vita, where as i'm getting the disc version of the Console version.

so about $85 with my approach, on the other hand MLB The Show's bundle was about $80 I believe.

The only reason I wouldn't think there would be a bundle, is because there is no cross game saves. But you never know, since the stores can just have deals of their own where you automatically save $20.

[logical]

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1st post lol.. long time lurker. Been looking out for Vita news and some actually finally hit with the first media of the game. I cant post links so the link to the article is: http://www.theverge.com/gaming/2012/...vita-madden-12

New article on Madden Vita 13 from the Verge



And we got our FIRST MEDIA of the actual Game:


















I got a feeling that these are touched up screenshots.. there are no jaggies and if the game was running at 15FPS I doubt they could have AA in it.


Highlights are as follows:

EA Sports is updating last year's game with a few new elements, including Vita-specific controls, and releasing a handheld experience that shares the title of its revamped, promising console brethren — but barely resembles them otherwise.

I played the Vita game this week, and to be clear, it appears to be shaping up nicely. Most of the touch controls, such as the ability to tap on a receiver and draw hot routes with a finger, are smart and welcome additions. The game includes full Franchise and Superstar modes, and will receive weekly roster updates and Madden Moments Live content throughout the 2012-13 NFL season. Of course, the graphics aren't quite up to par with Madden 12 on PS3, but they're still impressive on the Vita's five-inch screen.

But from my conversation with Baker this week, I got the sense that Electronic Arts may be unwilling at this point to extend that investment to the Vita.

Quick notes:

• Madden Vita is Madden 12 with a Madden 13 disguise.. the only thing carried over from 13 is the commentary.
• Touch controls, such as touching a receiver to draw hot routes.
• The game includes full Franchise and Superstar modes.
• Graphics not on Par with the PS3 version but still impressive(says author)

Other notes:

• Time and money are holding back the Vita version.
• A build was not ready for E3 and the game was only running at 15FPS at the moment
• The author gets the sense that the Vita version will NEVER be 1 to 1 with the console version.
• Game is being developed by HB Studios

[SamitSarkar]

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A build was not ready for E3 and the game was only running at 15FPS at the moment

Hey, thanks for the link — I'm the guy who wrote the article. Let me clarify something: Dan Baker, the supervising producer on the Vita game, told me that it was only running at 15 fps in mid-April. Back then, he said they expected to have it ready to show journalists at E3, and apparently, it wasn't. But I assume it wasn't still running that poorly only a few weeks ago.

The game I played this week ran just fine, and I expect that the final version will be a totally playable, solid experience. My issue is that EA is marketing this game as "Madden NFL 13," when they really should just call it "Madden NFL Football" or something.

[logical]

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Hey, thanks for the link — I'm the guy who wrote the article. Let me clarify something: Dan Baker, the supervising producer on the Vita game, told me that it was only running at 15 fps in mid-April. Back then, he said they expected to have it ready to show journalists at E3, and apparently, it wasn't. But I assume it wasn't still running that poorly only a few weeks ago.

The game I played this week ran just fine, and I expect that the final version will be a totally playable, solid experience. My issue is that EA is marketing this game as "Madden NFL 13," when they really should just call it "Madden NFL Football" or something.

How does it compare to Fifa? Is it noticeably better than the iOS version?

[SamitSarkar]

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How does it compare to Fifa? Is it noticeably better than the iOS version?

I haven't spent a lot of time with FIFA Soccer on Vita, since I don't own the handheld. But — and I mentioned this in my article — Madden 13 on Vita seems comparable to FIFA Soccer in that it's running on the previous year's engine (Madden 12 and FIFA 11, respectively) and doesn't have some of the important improvements of the current year, but is otherwise a competent sports sim.

If you look up reviews, you'll see that while people were disappointed that they were playing a year-old game on Vita after getting used to FIFA 12, they thought the game was pretty good anyway.

Madden 13 on Vita plays well, and I think it'll be a good game — but it's misleading for EA to market it as "Madden 13," because it's a year-old game with great new commentary and pretty good touch/tilt controls.

I'm not sure which game's iOS version you're referring to, but I don't have an iPad, so I haven't played either. But Madden 13 is basically a shrunken-down version of Madden 12's console versions, so... it's nothing like Madden on iOS, if that's what you were asking.

[logical]

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I haven't spent a lot of time with FIFA Soccer on Vita, since I don't own the handheld. But — and I mentioned this in my article — Madden 13 on Vita seems comparable to FIFA Soccer in that it's running on the previous year's engine (Madden 12 and FIFA 11, respectively) and doesn't have some of the important improvements of the current year, but is otherwise a competent sports sim.

If you look up reviews, you'll see that while people were disappointed that they were playing a year-old game on Vita after getting used to FIFA 12, they thought the game was pretty good anyway.

Madden 13 on Vita plays well, and I think it'll be a good game — but it's misleading for EA to market it as "Madden 13," because it's a year-old game with great new commentary and pretty good touch/tilt controls.

I'm not sure which game's iOS version you're referring to, but I don't have an iPad, so I haven't played either. But Madden 13 is basically a shrunken-down version of Madden 12's console versions, so... it's nothing like Madden on iOS, if that's what you were asking.

As far as the comparison with FIFA goes, although FIFA is a year back it ran pretty well. It was above 30FPS most of the time and played pretty well. One of the main things they did with FIFA was port the current gen engine on the Vita.

I know its been said that Madden Vita will get the Madden 12 console engine, but how well does is translate. From looking at the player models it looks like they have lost a lot of polys. (not to mention the game will definitely not look as crisp as those press shots, I dont know who they think they are fooling with those)

As far as the iOS version of Madden.. it seems like its using last gen engine(PS2)



Visually how does it compare to that? I want an honest answer because frankly I dont trust the press screens posted on your site. If you look at the models of the iOS version and compare them to those of the newly released Madden Vita shots.. they look almost identical. What I really want to know is if the Visuals are night and day between the iOS version and the Vita version.

[mrprice33]

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Visually how does it compare to that? I want an honest answer because frankly I dont trust the press screens posted on your site. If you look at the models of the iOS version and compare them to those of the newly released Madden Vita shots.. they look almost identical. What I really want to know is if the Visuals are night and day between the iOS version and the Vita version.

Run, Samit..***uuuuuuuuuuuun

[SamitSarkar]

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As far as the comparison with FIFA goes, although FIFA is a year back it ran pretty well. It was above 30FPS most of the time and played pretty well. One of the main things they did with FIFA was port the current gen engine on the Vita.

I know its been said that Madden Vita will get the Madden 12 console engine, but how well does is translate. From looking at the player models it looks like they have lost a lot of polys. (not to mention the game will definitely not look as crisp as those press shots, I dont know who they think they are fooling with those)

Visually how does it compare to that? I want an honest answer because frankly I dont trust the press screens posted on your site. If you look at the models of the iOS version and compare them to those of the newly released Madden Vita shots.. they look almost identical. What I really want to know is if the Visuals are night and day between the iOS version and the Vita version.

Hang on... I think you're conflating some things here, so let me clarify.

The game engine ≠ the graphics. The engine provides the gameplay underpinnings: for example, how players interact with each other (i.e., physics). Madden 13 on PS3/360 has a brand-new engine, the Infinity Engine, which provides real-time physics (similar to what Backbreaker offered). It won't be in the Vita version because the Vita game is based on Madden 12, which did not have the Infinity Engine.

Visuals are related, but it's still a different department, so to speak. For Madden 13, the presentation team has done a lot to make the game look more like real life and like a TV broadcast, adding elements such as dynamic shadows from multiple light sources, motion blur, and progressive HDR lighting. That stuff won't be in the Vita version, either.

EA Canada did not "port the current gen [sic] engine," per se, for FIFA Soccer on Vita. That title came out in February 2012, but was based on a year-old game, FIFA 11. FIFA 12, which launched in September/October 2011, added its own real-time physics system, the Player Impact Engine, along with new defensive tactics/controls. The Vita game didn't have that stuff, but I didn't think too poorly of EA for it, since they didn't try to sell it as "FIFA 12."

I didn't spend a whole lot of time with the Vita version of Madden 13, but what I can say for now is this: it looks almost as good as Madden 12 did on PS3/360. Obviously, HB Studios had to make some visual sacrifices to get the game running — notice, for example, that 3D leg pads are gone — but the player models and frame rate seemed fine. I think it's more impressive in motion than the screenshots convey, especially on a five-inch screen at 540p (and isn't that usually the case?).

I don't know if I'd call it a "night and day" improvement over the iPad version of Madden, but then, the iPad is no slouch in the graphics department. Still, it plays like Madden 12 did on console (in terms of controls), and that's more than I can say for any iOS sports game.

[logical]

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Hang on... I think you're conflating some things here, so let me clarify.

The game engine ≠ the graphics. The engine provides the gameplay underpinnings: for example, how players interact with each other (i.e., physics). Madden 13 on PS3/360 has a brand-new engine, the Infinity Engine, which provides real-time physics (similar to what Backbreaker offered). It won't be in the Vita version because the Vita game is based on Madden 12, which did not have the Infinity Engine.

Visuals are related, but it's still a different department, so to speak. For Madden 13, the presentation team has done a lot to make the game look more like real life and like a TV broadcast, adding elements such as dynamic shadows from multiple light sources, motion blur, and progressive HDR lighting. That stuff won't be in the Vita version, either.

EA Canada did not "port the current gen [sic] engine," per se, for FIFA Soccer on Vita. That title came out in February 2012, but was based on a year-old game, FIFA 11. FIFA 12, which launched in September/October 2011, added its own real-time physics system, the Player Impact Engine, along with new defensive tactics/controls. The Vita game didn't have that stuff, but I didn't think too poorly of EA for it, since they didn't try to sell it as "FIFA 12."

I didn't spend a whole lot of time with the Vita version of Madden 13, but what I can say for now is this: it looks almost as good as Madden 12 did on PS3/360. Obviously, HB Studios had to make some visual sacrifices to get the game running — notice, for example, that 3D leg pads are gone — but the player models and frame rate seemed fine. I think it's more impressive in motion than the screenshots convey, especially on a five-inch screen at 540p (and isn't that usually the case?).

I don't know if I'd call it a "night and day" improvement over the iPad version of Madden, but then, the iPad is no slouch in the graphics department. Still, it plays like Madden 12 did on console (in terms of controls), and that's more than I can say for any iOS sports game.

I think you are misunderstanding engines here Samit. Madden runs on multiple engines. The infinity engine is one component of the engine as a whole as it only handles physics(interactions between players.) It does not handle other things like graphics/polys.. etc etc.

To be on the same page, Id like to give you a a quick example. Bioshock 2 runs on the Unreal engine(the main engine) but it also uses the Havok physics engine to supplement the unreal engine. Unreal Engine with Havok engine. Current gen Madden engine with Infinity physics engine. If you took out the infinity physics engine from Madden 13 and left all other features you would most likely have NCAA 13.

When I say "current-gen" engine I mean in terms of console lifetimes not game cycles. When Madden made the jump to the 360/PS3 they started using the current-gen engine(not last gen which would be PS2 engine) Its apparent with weaker gaming systems like the PSP and iOS that they are using last gen engines which would be the PS2 engine, therefore the graphics are understandably inferior to that of the current gen engine.

As for Fifa Vita, it was ported using last years feature set, BUT the current gen engine they are using on the consoles. Whatever EA team worked on FIFA did a fine job IMO. As I played the game on my Vita it runs at a nice clip and they didnt have to eat too much into the graphics to get it there. I even liked their system that when going into replay mode.. the frames would take a hit but the game would provide substantially more detail on the players.

adding elements such as dynamic shadows from multiple light sources, motion blur, and progressive HDR lighting. That stuff won't be in the Vita version, either.

Now we're getting to the good stuff. This is what I want to know. All the goodies they have to sacrifice to make the game run on Vita.

I don't know if I'd call it a "night and day" improvement over the iPad version of Madden, but then, the iPad is no slouch in the graphics department.

Hmm. I dont know how much you play Madden, but I hope its not that often because if you cannot tell the difference between the iOS version and this new Vita version I think we are all in for a huge letdown.

Anyway, Samit, I dont mean to offend or attack so dont take any of this post personal. I'll just have to wait until they release some video of the game to make a good personal assessment of the game. If they can ballpark a port as well as the FIFA team did it will be halfway decent.

One last question though, in the beta version you played was the game as smooth looking as the screenshots you posted on your site? Were there really no jaggies present? Anti-aliasing seems to be really high.

[Afrikan]

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"Now we're getting to the good stuff. This is what I want to know. All the goodies they have to sacrifice to make the game run on Vita."

"Now we're getting to the good stuff. This is what I want to know. All the goodies they have to sacrifice to make Madden 12 run on the PS3."