Do the stats (40, BP, SQ) even matter?

[nuschler22]

I don't know that they do. Makes it hard to find gems. Any suggestions? The only gems I've really been able to find are 3 star guys that have a lot of "C" rated categories because some of them invariably will be more B rated.

It used to be that these stats were more in line with what they turned out to be instead of their graded rating, now it doesn't look like any stats matter for scouting purposes.

Also, I think they have acceleration and speed backwards. A guy that is 4.24 in the 40 is usually both fast and has a good acceleration. But it's more likely they have a good acceleration rating than a high speed rating.

You can have a great 40 time and not have A+ speed. But you can't have a poor acceleration rating and have a great 40 time.

[Tdgsport27]

Re: Do the stats (40, BP, SQ) even matter?

You could have the fastest acceleration on the planet but if you have no speed it doesn't matter.

But back to your point, No. I don't think the stats they give to you matter much, or at least they represent something we're not looking for. I think 40 only represents speed, Bench and squat however... I think those vary on position

[OGKing]

Re: Do the stats (40, BP, SQ) even matter?

Bench and squat means the players strength

[nuschler22]

Re: Do the stats (40, BP, SQ) even matter?

You could have the fastest acceleration on the planet but if you have no speed it doesn't matter.

But back to your point, No. I don't think the stats they give to you matter much, or at least they represent something we're not looking for. I think 40 only represents speed, Bench and squat however... I think those vary on position

I understand that.

Why I'm saying is you can be the fastest player in the world, but with "C" acceleration you're not running a fast 40 ever.

In high school, I was very fast but had slow acceleration. I beat a lot of the quick guys in the 60 but not the 40 dash. Some of the guys that beat me in the 40, I could beat in a 100 yard dash by 10 or more yards.

So acceleration is more important in a 40, in my opinion.

[tested29]

Re: Do the stats (40, BP, SQ) even matter?

Also, I think they have acceleration and speed backwards. A guy that is 4.24 in the 40 is usually both fast and has a good acceleration. But it's more likely they have a good acceleration rating than a high speed rating.

You can have a great 40 time and not have A+ speed. But you can't have a poor acceleration rating and have a great 40 time.

I agree and I think most would agree as well IRL. The 40 is a better test of acceleration rather than flat out speed. However in this game the 40 is what correlates to speed.

I used to have a chart to what BP and SQ correlated to for skill players and linemen, but I can't seem to find it now. Thing is now with the scouting the base numbers you see kinda don't mean much. By scouting you'll see exactly what the recruit will come in with. It may end up being exactly what the stat was, but it could be completely different.

[The GOAT 1988]

Re: Do the stats (40, BP, SQ) even matter?

I do not think these matter when concerning the player's attributes, at least not the 40 time.

I scouted a player with a 4.24 40 time, thinking his speed would be in the super high 90s, however his speed revealed was 92. I was surprised bc i at least thought the 40 times were usually pretty accurate.

I then created 4 prospects: 1 with 99 speed, 1 with 98 speed, 1 with 97 speed and 1 with 90. Their 40 times were 4.24, 4.24, 4.24, and 4.34 respectively. (I should have made all speeds in the 90s but it was tedious.) Either way i think this shows the 40 times can be off when predicting speed, which in real life can happen so its not unrealistic.

[Broncos86]

Re: Do the stats (40, BP, SQ) even matter?

They're there to give you a general idea, but don't think that those measurables will directly translate to ratings.

[Yukon46]

Re: Do the stats (40, BP, SQ) even matter?

They're there to give you a general idea, but don't think that those measurables will directly translate to ratings.

In previous versions, the 40 time seen on new recruits, DID exactly translate to a specific Speed Rating.

It seems as if they have changed it for NCAA 13.

I have seen some way off (which I think is awesome, and realistic)....
for example a HB recruit listed as a 4.28, which in previous versions, would have made him a 97 Speed. After scouting him fully, it revealed a 89 Speed.

Now all I have seen so far has been a fast player being slower, and actually out of my test pool....all were slower than the listed 40 time speed.

My hopes thats maybe there are just as many mid-level 40 times, that actually scout out to a higher speed.

[eurojjj19]

Re: Do the stats (40, BP, SQ) even matter?

I did some testing last night scouting 20 players fully. Here's a chart to use:

SQT-S = Squat for skill players
SQT-L = Squat for Lineman and Linebackers
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spd str btk/tck rb/tck
40 BNCH SQT-S SQT-L RAT GRD
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4.24 xxx 445 795 99 A+
4.26 xxx 440 785 98 A+
4.28 xxx 435 775 97 A+
===========================================
4.30 xxx 430 765 96 A
4.32 xxx 425 755 95 A
4.34 515 420 745 94 A
===========================================
4.36 509 415 735 93 A-
4.38 503 410 725 92 A-
===========================================
4.40 497 405 715 91 B+
4.42 491 400 705 90 B+
4.44 485 395 695 89 B+
4.46 480 390 690 88 B+
===========================================
4.48 474 385 680 87 B
4.50 468 380 670 86 B
4.52 462 375 665 85 B
4.54 456 370 655 84 B
===========================================
4.56 450 365 645 83 B-
4.58 444 360 640 82 B-
4.60 438 355 630 81 B-
4.62 432 350 620 80 B-
===========================================
4.64 426 345 610 79 C+
4.66 420 340 605 78 C+
4.68 414 335 595 77 C+
4.70 408 330 585 76 C+
===========================================
4.72 402 325 580 75 C
4.74 396 320 570 74 C
4.76 390 315 560 73 C
4.78 384 310 555 72 C
===========================================
4.80 378 305 545 71 C-
4.82 372 300 535 70 C-
4.84 366 295 525 69 C-
===========================================
4.86 360 290 520 68 D+
4.88 354 285 510 67 D+
4.90 348 280 500 66 D+
===========================================
4.92 342 275 495 65 D
4.94 336 270 485 64 D
4.96 330 265 475 63 D
4.98 325 260 470 62 D
5.00 319 255 460 61 D
5.02 313 250 450 60 D
===========================================

Also to clarify what each is for.....
40: is the speed rating
BNCH: is the str rating
SQT-S: is tackle for defense and break tackle for offense, this is skill players.
SQT-L: is tackle for defense and run block for offense, this is lineman and linebackers.[/QUOTE]


From what I saw, the 40 times presented are relatively accurate. If you look up a guys 40 on the chart, then if his letter grade for speed in his skills page is higher than the corresponding letter grade from the chart, he has a pretty good chance to see his speed increase after you scout him. As for bench press/strength I didn't really see a correlation. But for squat I saw the strongest correlation. It lines up nearly perfectly with a players tackling or run blocking rating after scouting. I had a different chart I was using when testing that didn't have the squat equivalents for skill players, so I can't confirm if those we're correct, but I think they're pretty close. I just found this chart this morning and it has separate squat numbers for skill players. Hope this helps.

[ROL Jamas]

Re: Do the stats (40, BP, SQ) even matter?

I've also noticed that a higher squat number, especially for linemen and linebackers, tends to translate into more gems than busts. A higher squat tends to translate not only into strength, but also acceleration, too. I don't know if it's simply a placebo effect or not, but this is what I've noticed.

Either that, or I just got lucky one year and I'm just recruiting to nothing. Regardless, it's something worth looking into if you're trying to better assert where gems come from.

[lilpuppy99]

Re: Do the stats (40, BP, SQ) even matter?

So how does the chart work exactly? The line where the 40 time is 4.34 shows a bench press of over 500. I've seen a bench press on a DLine at 500, but his 40 time wasn't 4.34. How do I compare him to that line stating he would be an A?

[eurojjj19]

Re: Do the stats (40, BP, SQ) even matter?

So how does the chart work exactly? The line where the 40 time is 4.34 shows a bench press of over 500. I've seen a bench press on a DLine at 500, but his 40 time wasn't 4.34. How do I compare him to that line stating he would be an A?

you're reading it wrong. It shows the stats the correlate to a specific rating. For example, for a 94 rating in speed, he would have to run a 4.34 40-time. For 94 rating in strength he would have to bench press 515 lbs, etc. make sense now? The 94 rating isn't an overall rating, its just the rating for a specific attribute (strength, speed, etc).

[jayduce]

Re: Do the stats (40, BP, SQ) even matter?

I've also noticed that a higher squat number, especially for linemen and linebackers, tends to translate into more gems than busts. A higher squat tends to translate not only into strength, but also acceleration, too. I don't know if it's simply a placebo effect or not, but this is what I've noticed.

Either that, or I just got lucky one year and I'm just recruiting to nothing. Regardless, it's something worth looking into if you're trying to better assert where gems come from.

to be clear, if the 40 time and speed letter rating dont match up, which one is likely to be true?

[lilpuppy99]

Re: Do the stats (40, BP, SQ) even matter?

From what I've experienced. The 40 time tends to be more accurate than the letter rating.

[nuschler22]

Re: Do the stats (40, BP, SQ) even matter?

This chart has been right on for me.

I've guessed the rating to the exact number (ie, 89 speed, 90 tackle, etc) from the instructions he gave.

Thanks !