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  • roadman
    *ll St*r
    • Aug 2003
    • 26339

    #91
    Re: Madden NFL 13 Video: Playbooks 5 & 6: Connected Careers

    Originally posted by PGaither84

    I can't do any of this anymore. I'm sorry, but a twitter feed just isn't worth the trade off.
    PG,

    I understand you are frustrated, but I think that statement is a bit unfair without trying CCM and it's bazillion other features. Sorry, I loved Head Coach and I'm happy a lot of those features will be in Madden.

    You make it sound like CCM is just a twitter feed.

    I'm an offline gamer, but I never used any of those features that were left out. I feel for people who used those features, but at the same time, I'm willing to see what this CCM is all about before I declare anything positive or negative.

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    • PGaither84
      MVP
      • Mar 2009
      • 4393

      #92
      Re: Madden NFL 13 Video: Playbooks 5 & 6: Connected Careers

      Originally posted by Aftershock9958
      Your line about "a lot of us don't care about online" hits it exactly on the head - it's borderline greedy how some of the people here are ready to riot over the fact that they're not the ones getting the new toys for the first time in a while.
      Well, I understand how crappy it has been for online players, what I really mean by "I don't care about online" is that online is FILLED with casual and free style players. There are only a few trusted people I would play with, and most of them are only on the PS3, or don't really play online either. For example, RGiles has been an offline franchise mode guy too. Every time I see him logged into XBL, he is playing Madden 11 or 12 offline franchise mode over the last two years. I have played LBzrule twice ever, both were tight OT victories. I played Taz and Big FN Deal a few times each, and a few of you other guys... and that's about it. the rest of my online madden time is against randoms or the fun [but casual] OTP mode.

      I play shooters online all the time, or at least I used to. I have a lot of hours logged into CoD4, MW2, Battlefield Bad Compay 2 & Battlefield 3, and Halo 2 & 3. Shooting games a whole different beast to me. Anything goes. It's chaos. It's war. Set up a defensive position and hold it! Take the flag! Blow up the MCOM! Revive your buddy, throw ammo, repair the tank, disarm the MCOM, knife that guy, blow a hole in that wall, and don't forget to spot!

      In Madden I am trying to play a realistic NFL experience... but default online ranked/unranked matches don't have custom sliders, so ratings don't mean much and the AI is terrible.

      Offline franchise lets me play with custom settings that help make the game more playable. It gets to the point that I just can't care about online Madden.

      By the way, why can we play OTP, but no OTP CCM? THAT would be fun. I would love to have some OTP CCM.
      Last edited by PGaither84; 07-25-2012, 10:12 AM.
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      • PGaither84
        MVP
        • Mar 2009
        • 4393

        #93
        Re: Madden NFL 13 Video: Playbooks 5 & 6: Connected Careers

        Originally posted by roadman
        PG,

        I understand you are frustrated, but I think that statement is a bit unfair without trying CCM and it's bazillion other features. Sorry, I loved Head Coach and I'm happy a lot of those features will be in Madden.

        You make it sound like CCM is just a twitter feed.

        I'm an offline gamer, but I never used any of those features that were left out. I feel for people who used those features, but at the same time, I'm willing to see what this CCM is all about before I declare anything positive or negative.
        I agree, it isn't completely fair, but in a lot of ways, all CCM is is story mode. I disagree with the removal of potential. If it takes a ton of points, or a long time to earn points to improve someone, then how is the Madden 12 version of a gem going to work? Someone with a lot of potential but has to work on a few areas... like a Tim Tebow? He has like 67 medium accuracy in the final roster update. How much XP do I need ot make him an 80 accuracy? how long will that take? Do I have to sacrifice the future of the rest of my team to do that? is there a curve? Why should I sacrifice the future of my team to tell Tebow to work on throwing through tires in the off season?

        I ran a hands off AI controlled Madden 12 franchise and saved each season individually as a separate file. In like year 7 the Bengals won the Super Bowl and I took a look at their roster. They were STACKED on defense. A closer look showed they had two monster drafts in year three and 4 of A potential rookies from later rounds along with a good first rounder or second rounder two over those years as well. Going back to the older files, they also drafted busts, but the stars progressed and progressed and earned starting roles and really helped them become a young talented team. I just don't see something cool like that happeneing in Madden 13 with this XP system. Maybe [hopefully] I am wrong, but I just don't see it.

        In real life, you can look at the Cowboys team that the Tuna built, or the Chargers team Marty built, or the way the Cardinals were built they year they went to the Super Bow... or how the Steelers have built their teams year after year with solid draft picks throughout the draft.

        Sure, from what I read, if you have system players on your team they will earn more XP [faster XP] than non-system guys, but that just doesn't feel like enough. I don't know unti li play it or hear from others who do, but I am not sold on the idea. Not given EA's track record. It takes a long time to iron out the kinks, and it felt like Madden 12 had a decent progression system in place... and now it is scrapped.
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        • moneal2001
          Pro
          • Jul 2003
          • 835

          #94
          Re: Madden NFL 13 Video: Playbooks 5 & 6: Connected Careers

          Originally posted by PGaither84
          In Madden I am trying to play a realistic NFL experience... but default online ranked/unranked matches don't have custom sliders, so ratings don't mean much and the AI is terrible.

          Offline franchise lets me play with custom settings that help make the game more playable. It gets to the point that I just can't care about online Madden.
          this thread is about ccm not default online matches. ccm allows for custom sliders and settings.

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          • tical2399
            Rookie
            • Apr 2011
            • 122

            #95
            Originally posted by Aftershock9958
            Which is a lot of the problem. I remember a lot of the postings prior to the CCM and physics announcements where online players were predicting that online has to finally get some love, and so many people who only play offline blew it off like it didn't matter whether or not online got any type of update.

            For the most part, the online players here have sympathized with offline players taking some hits, meanwhile before this all came to light the offline guys were extremely apathetic about online. Your line about "a lot of us don't care about online" hits it exactly on the head - it's borderline greedy how some of the people here are ready to riot over the fact that they're not the ones getting the new toys for the first time in a while.



            This post has me facepalming so hard. "Online people don't get it?" Really? We spent how many years with next to no features, and we don't get it? We're the first ones who get it.

            What I don't get is why so many people have these conspiracy theories and pretend (as you say Looman is doing) that they know what's happening behind the scenes. You don't. No one does.

            And I'm with you. I also expect a lot of flip floppers - the difference is that I know many people will see their poor expectations exceeded, and there will be the same amount of people who will see their high expectations end in disappointment. It's the same every year, and this year is no different.
            Its not about us offline playing being mad because we don't get get toys for the first time in a long time, its the fact that EA took away the toys we already had and like playing with. Importing rookies, editing rosters, controlling more than one team in franchise etc.

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            • tical2399
              Rookie
              • Apr 2011
              • 122

              #96
              I hate these kinda "interviews" they just get softball questions or get asked specifically about some feature the company wants to hype.

              I want a real interview where somebody asks them tough questions. I want somebody to ask why they took out NCAA rookies, why they wont let rosters be edited, why cant you control more than one team and things like that.

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              • Aftershock9958
                Rookie
                • Jan 2012
                • 289

                #97
                Re: Madden NFL 13 Video: Playbooks 5 & 6: Connected Careers

                Originally posted by PGaither84
                what I eally mean by "I don't care about online" is that online is FILLED with casual and free style players.
                That's really where the issue lies then, especially if all the mostly offline players share your thinking. I would say for the most part, those of us here on OS who play online play in online franchises, and I haven't come across any so far who would allow freestylers. They wouldn't make it more than a game or two without getting the boot.

                When it comes to online play now, I share your sentiments and don't care about that either. But online franchise and CCM isn't the way you seem to think.

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                • Yeah...THAT Guy
                  Once in a Lifetime Memory
                  • Dec 2006
                  • 17294

                  #98
                  Re: Madden NFL 13 Video: Playbooks 5 & 6: Connected Careers

                  I'm at work. Can someone sum up what was said/shown in this video?

                  Personally, I'm an offline player and I've never been more excited for a Madden game. If it's anything like HC09, it will probably be my favorite sports game ever.
                  NFL: Bills
                  NBA: Bucks
                  MLB: Cubs
                  NCAA: Syracuse
                  Soccer: USMNT/DC United

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                  • roadman
                    *ll St*r
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 26339

                    #99
                    Re: Madden NFL 13 Video: Playbooks 5 & 6: Connected Careers

                    Originally posted by tical2399
                    I hate these kinda "interviews" they just get softball questions or get asked specifically about some feature the company wants to hype.

                    I want a real interview where somebody asks them tough questions. I want somebody to ask why they took out NCAA rookies, why they wont let rosters be edited, why cant you control more than one team and things like that.
                    Understand what you are saying, but do you really think the answers would be different than what they've been giving us?

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                    • edjames01
                      Rookie
                      • Jun 2012
                      • 235

                      #100
                      Re: Madden NFL 13 Video: Playbooks 5 & 6: Connected Careers

                      This video didn't really show much of anything. I would have liked to seen the different options on how your team is managed during a CC.

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                      • StrawHat Patriot
                        Banned
                        • Apr 2012
                        • 876

                        #101
                        Re: Madden NFL 13 Video: Playbooks 5 & 6: Connected Careers

                        Josh Looman why don't we have offline multiplayer co-op CCM like we've had the past decade and then some.

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                        • edjames01
                          Rookie
                          • Jun 2012
                          • 235

                          #102
                          Re: Madden NFL 13 Video: Playbooks 5 & 6: Connected Careers

                          Originally posted by tical2399
                          Its not about us offline playing being mad because we don't get get toys for the first time in a long time, its the fact that EA took away the toys we already had and like playing with. Importing rookies, editing rosters, controlling more than one team in franchise etc.
                          That's just fluff. I want to be manage a team like a real coach/GM.

                          M12 had horrible horrible trading, horrible scouting, horrible, horrible injuries, horrible drafting, horrible player contracts, horrible simulated stats, horrible free agency (no RFA either), no training camp

                          It should be a challenge to build (or maintain) a good football team.

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                          • edjames01
                            Rookie
                            • Jun 2012
                            • 235

                            #103
                            Re: Madden NFL 13 Video: Playbooks 5 & 6: Connected Careers

                            Originally posted by StrawHat Patriot
                            Josh Looman why don't we have offline multiplayer co-op CCM like we've had the past decade and then some.
                            It probably just doesn't fit in with how the new game is designed. I just wish that I could have multiple created players on my coached team.
                            Last edited by edjames01; 07-25-2012, 11:41 AM. Reason: typo

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                            • mars85042
                              Rookie
                              • Apr 2008
                              • 252

                              #104
                              Re: Madden NFL 13 Video: Playbooks 5 & 6: Connected Careers

                              So far I’m very frustrated madden 13 CCM info has been very vague I’m sure they want to surprise everyone with something big, but at this point I’m just proceeding with caution. I’ve been burned before; madden 12 has been the most fun I’ve had since 2k5 with fantasy draft offline franchise, and now that’s gone? <O</O
                              OSUFL Philadelphia Eagles 9-4(2-2)

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                              • m-dogg
                                Pro
                                • Nov 2004
                                • 698

                                #105
                                Re: Madden NFL 13 Video: Playbooks 5 &amp; 6: Connected Careers

                                Originally posted by PGaither84
                                Well, I understand how crappy it has been for online players, what I really mean by "I don't care about online" is that online is FILLED with casual and free style players. There are only a few trusted people I would play with, and most of them are only on the PS3, or don't really play online either. For example, RGiles has been an offline franchise mode guy too. Every time I see him logged into XBL, he is playing Madden 11 or 12 offline franchise mode over the last two years. I have played LBzrule twice ever, both were tight OT victories. I played Taz and Big FN Deal a few times each, and a few of you other guys... and that's about it. the rest of my online madden time is against randoms or the fun [but casual] OTP mode.

                                I play shooters online all the time, or at least I used to. I have a lot of hours logged into CoD4, MW2, Battlefield Bad Compay 2 & Battlefield 3, and Halo 2 & 3. Shooting games a whole different beast to me. Anything goes. It's chaos. It's war. Set up a defensive position and hold it! Take the flag! Blow up the MCOM! Revive your buddy, throw ammo, repair the tank, disarm the MCOM, knife that guy, blow a hole in that wall, and don't forget to spot!

                                In Madden I am trying to play a realistic NFL experience... but default online ranked/unranked matches don't have custom sliders, so ratings don't mean much and the AI is terrible.

                                Offline franchise lets me play with custom settings that help make the game more playable. It gets to the point that I just can't care about online Madden.

                                By the way, why can we play OTP, but no OTP CCM? THAT would be fun. I would love to have some OTP CCM.

                                bingo, this is all I wanted from CCM -- co-op franchise. I was excited to hear it is in NHL13 and EA was talking about how all of their sports franchises were being standardized to work the same way...so I was reeeeeeeally hoping that Madden13 had it.

                                bummer to find out we can play as players, but not on the same team. I really hope they can add this feature to next year, that is a total game changer to me. I know several people that do not purchase madden, but would buy it in a heartbeat if we could do a franchise together on the field..through the playoffs, draft, etc. that would be a blast..

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