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  • PhantomPain
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    • Jan 2003
    • 3512

    #1

    UNC Academic Fraud info

    For some reason the main national sports websites (i.e. ESPN/CBS/FOX) won't touch this story. But Pat Forde at Yahoo had one recently and this article digs deeper into it. Very interesting reporting here and I hope the NCAA and National Media will look more into it:

    http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/...udies-in-2009/
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  • Marino
    Moderator
    • Jan 2008
    • 18113

    #2
    Re: UNC Academic Fraud info

    It's funny, NC State message boards are doing more digging than the actual media on this.

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    • redsrule
      All Star
      • Apr 2010
      • 9396

      #3
      Re: UNC Academic Fraud info

      I have a feeling, if this was UK, every press outlet in America would be all over it.
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      • TheBrothers24
        SD/LA Chargers?
        • Sep 2007
        • 1915

        #4
        Re: UNC Academic Fraud info

        So his argument is that Roy Williams right hand man leaving is the reason players stopped majoring in that subject?

        Why didn't he list which players were majoring in those courses?
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        • jyoung
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          • Dec 2006
          • 11132

          #5
          Re: UNC Academic Fraud info

          So what exactly are the charges here?

          There's nothing illegal, or even out of the norm, with athletes signing up for "easy" classes.

          The NCAA already dropped the ban hammer on the football team for having tutors write players' papers and homework.

          Are they trying to say the basketball team was involved in the same thing?
          Last edited by jyoung; 07-27-2012, 12:27 PM.

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          • PhantomPain
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            • Jan 2003
            • 3512

            #6
            Re: UNC Academic Fraud info

            Originally posted by jyoung
            So what exactly are the charges here?

            There's nothing illegal, or even out of the norm, with athletes signing up for "easy" classes.

            The NCAA already dropped the ban hammer on the football team for having tutors write players' papers and homework.

            Are they trying to say the basketball team was involved in the same thing?
            Yes, what I think they are saying is there is enough smoke there for the ncaa to look into the basketball program and how they were involved with the bogus classes.

            From 2003-2009 there were several players, according to their research, that took this class. Specifically in the title year, 2004-2005, 7 of the 13 players on the team were a part of it. If you punish the football team, shouldn't you punish the basketball team if they were also involved? More to the point, the author is inferring that the person behind it all is someone that has been with Roy Williams since his Kansas days.
            Last edited by PhantomPain; 07-27-2012, 12:39 PM.
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            • NDAlum
              ND
              • Jun 2010
              • 11453

              #7
              Re: UNC Academic Fraud info

              Background: diehard UNC basketball fan

              Is there any information out there about basketball players breaking academic honor codes?

              If there is evidence of cheating that comes forward I want the NCAA to take the right action.

              If the only evidence is the fact that it looks bad on paper that all these guys are taking AA studies, then there's no reason to do anything.
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              • Sportsforever
                NL MVP
                • Mar 2005
                • 20368

                #8
                Re: UNC Academic Fraud info

                Are you guys serious? There wasn't one shred of evidence/smoke in that "article" posted. I am no UNC fan, but the way the article is written tries to make it sound ominous/shady, but the truth is a lot of guys move with coaches from job to job. They try and paint it like the guy left because he saw a scandal coming, when it actually sounds like the dude got married and moved on in life.

                Sorry, but I just don't see why anyone should be up in arms about this.
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                • Marino
                  Moderator
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 18113

                  #9
                  Re: UNC Academic Fraud info

                  It's basically, for all those things the football players were caught with on the academic side, Forde is trying to put together on the basketball team. Basically trying to find a smoking gun or whatever. And even as the most diehard UNC *****, I think they are basically searching for nothing.

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                  • JBCAROLINAKID
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                    • Jun 2009
                    • 1039

                    #10
                    Re: UNC Academic Fraud info

                    I am a lifelong UNC fan and always will be no matter what. Having said that if any PROOF turns up i am all for the NCAA taking all the appropriate actions against them because i want anything we win to be done fairly or it doesn't really mean anything. I don't want any tainted titles. Sadly, in reality i believe the majority of major college schools cheat in one form or another from time to time if not more often than that. I hate to sound so negative about this but i am a realist, however i am not saying every school across the board does this, but probably alot more than we would like to believe. Just my opinion.
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                    • PhantomPain
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                      • Jan 2003
                      • 3512

                      #11
                      Re: UNC Academic Fraud info

                      Here is a follow up to that link earlier which outlines pretty well why the two articles have been released. Thoughts?

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                      • NDAlum
                        ND
                        • Jun 2010
                        • 11453

                        #12
                        Re: UNC Academic Fraud info

                        So what about the 61% of the class that were not football/basketball players?

                        Athletes get first choice at class offerings to coincide with athletic schedules. The classes were probably SUPER easy and required little to no work. UNC is not the only university to have courses like this.

                        Did they cheat or just take easy classes? Why single out the basketball players? Shouldn't every single student taking these courses be examined?

                        Looks like a Kentucky guy trying to beat down Carolina.
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                        • PhantomPain
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                          • Jan 2003
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                          #13
                          Re: UNC Academic Fraud info

                          Originally posted by NDAlum
                          So what about the 61% of the class that were not football/basketball players?

                          Athletes get first choice at class offerings to coincide with athletic schedules. The classes were probably SUPER easy and required little to no work. UNC is not the only university to have courses like this.

                          Did they cheat or just take easy classes? Why single out the basketball players? Shouldn't every single student taking these courses be examined?

                          Looks like a Kentucky guy trying to beat down Carolina.
                          I agree that it isn't only basketball players that took that class should be punished, I think all they are saying is "hey, you looked at the football program and decided it was bad and punished them for it. What about the basketball program?"

                          The issue isn't about taking a bunny course, it is that they took classes that were fraudulent. A class that UNC admitted was fraudulent. So if any athletes takes a fraudulent class, whether it be football, basketball or swimming, shouldn't that class be stricken from their record and if it is, shouldn't that have some affect on their eligibility if it lowered their full time status to part time or dropped their GPA below the requirement.

                          What the article is saying, regardless if it is a UK fan or not (which it is, but I find that irrelevant because the questions are valid unless I am just not understanding something), why is no one including the NCAA not even looking into this when the school itself has said it was a fraudulent class and basketball players attended it?
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                          • PhantomPain
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                            • Jan 2003
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                            #14
                            Re: UNC Academic Fraud info

                            Originally posted by Marino
                            It's funny, NC State message boards are doing more digging than the actual media on this.
                            Yes they are:



                            Article from CBS Sports about the "fictitious player":



                            Transcripts of "Fictitious player who isn't fictitious at all, Julius Peppers":



                            The information above certainly points to the issue not only pertaining to Basketball as much as Football, but like the earlier articles I posted it shows this has been a problem for much longer than 2007. Yet the NCAA says they have no jurisdiction???
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                            • PhantomPain
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                              • Jan 2003
                              • 3512

                              #15
                              Re: UNC Academic Fraud info

                              Here is the Sporting News calling Mark Emmert out:

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