Madden NFL 13 Ratings - Vote For the Fastest Quarterback

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  • gator3guy
    MVP
    • Jul 2004
    • 2233

    #31
    Re: Madden NFL 13 Ratings - Vote For the Fastest Quarterback

    So dumb. With RB's for instance, Chris Johnson is obviously the fastest. Why even risk jeopardizing that? Makes no sense.

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    • StrawHat Patriot
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      • Apr 2012
      • 876

      #32
      Re: Madden NFL 13 Ratings - Vote For the Fastest Quarterback

      Is EA just doing this because they don't know how to create proper ratings.

      And it sucks because we can't bring edited rosters into CCM.

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      • Big FN Deal
        Banned
        • Aug 2011
        • 5993

        #33
        Re: Madden NFL 13 - Vote For the Fastest Quarterback

        Originally posted by Dewiel
        That's what our ratings are based off of. Donny uses every site out there to come up with ratings.

        Who do you guys think should be the fastest QB? Some will argue Vick because he's proven game speed in the NFL and others will say RGIII. It's clear that there are many different opinions. The key here is this isn't open to any player. It's guys who are already tied or very close in the rating already. We're not putting guys who are 95's in a category against guys who are 87's if that makes sense.
        Here's the thing, the problem with basing speed on anything other than verifiable data in a universal format for all players, is that the game won't have balance. If Moore chooses to use verifiable 40 times for Speed or some other verifiable format, it really doesn't matter as long as that format is universal and the data is verifiable.

        I have no idea how Madden works "under the hood" but just because one player in Madden has a higher Speed rating than another SHOULD only mean that player can run faster in an unimpeded straight line. All this stuff about players looking faster when actually playing football SHOULD NOT have anything to do with their speed rating because "game speed" as people refer to it, is the result of a unmeasurable sum of variables playing out.

        So replicating NFL player "game speed" in Madden should be about universally formatting the individual in-game ratings, speed, agility, acceleration, route running, etc, as balanced as possible using verifiable data and the sum/combination of those ratings, along with other in-game variables, contact, weather, fatigue, etc, will inherently replicate NFL player "game speed".

        Also, for that to be effective, IMO, there has to be a universal real world "ceiling" and "basement" established for each rating. For example, for the speed rating, using the 0-100 scale, 0 needs to be an inanimate object, 100 humanly impossible and 99 the fastest player in NFL history. The point being Madden ratings should not be based on the best and worst currently in the NFL but the best and worst ever in the NFL

        All that said, IF the verifiable data being used for speed is 40 times, then Vick, Pryor, RG3.
        Last edited by Big FN Deal; 07-30-2012, 09:15 PM.

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        • CRMosier_LM
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          • Jul 2009
          • 2061

          #34
          Originally posted by Senator Palmer
          If it's known times then it's Vick. Vick ran 4.29 coming out of Tech and was 4.33 at his pro day. Griffin was 4.38 at the combine.
          Vick is 30+ years old if he runs a sub 4.4 I will send you my paycheck lol. Griffin ran a slow 4.38 at the combine. Dude is dam near a world class sprinter. I would say the Vick has better acceleration though.

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          • JoSiiF
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            • Apr 2012
            • 36

            #35
            what about cam newton
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            • CRMosier_LM
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              • Jul 2009
              • 2061

              #36
              Originally posted by JoSiiF
              what about cam newton
              He isn't anywhere near the fastest QB. Not even close.

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              • Senator Palmer
                MVP
                • Jul 2008
                • 3314

                #37
                Re: Madden NFL 13 Ratings - Vote For the Fastest Quarterback

                Originally posted by CRMosier_LM
                Vick is 30+ years old if he runs a sub 4.4 I will send you my paycheck lol. Griffin ran a slow 4.38 at the combine. Dude is dam near a world class sprinter. I would say the Vick has better acceleration though.

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                Well, hey, you did say based off their fastest known times. Now you're saying forget about the known times?

                I don't know what kind of times Vick is turning over at 31, but Darrell Green was still running 4.3s into his late 30s. It's not inconceivable that Vick can still beat 4.4 ...

                But 40 times aside, just looking at what I've seen. I'd still give it to Vick. I know that RGIII is a world class sprinter, but I when I've seen him in pads, he doesn't look any faster at top speed than Vick at 31. Maybe he is, but I don't think it's a hands down argument.
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                • Big FN Deal
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                  • Aug 2011
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                  #38
                  Re: Madden NFL 13 Ratings - Vote For the Fastest Quarterback

                  Originally posted by CRMosier_LM
                  Vick is 30+ years old if he runs a sub 4.4 I will send you my paycheck lol. Griffin ran a slow 4.38 at the combine. Dude is dam near a world class sprinter. I would say the Vick has better acceleration though.

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                  Which underlines my issue without having a universal formula for these things. Like DCEBB has stated, as long as there is some kind of universal method for calculating degeneration potentially based on position, injuries and/or age, then Vicks age could be accounted for. However, just randomly declaring Vick slower than either of the other two without some universal method, leads us back into willy nilly guesses.

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                  • raiders81tim
                    Pro
                    • Jul 2009
                    • 585

                    #39
                    Re: Madden NFL 13 Ratings - Vote For the Fastest Quarterback

                    Originally posted by CRMosier_LM
                    Vick is 30+ years old if he runs a sub 4.4 I will send you my paycheck lol. Griffin ran a slow 4.38 at the combine. Dude is dam near a world class sprinter. I would say the Vick has better acceleration though.

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                    I've yet to see any evidence of him slowing down. Track speed and football speed are two very different things. Very few players let alone QBs are faster on the field than Vick. 30+ or not.

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                    • sactown_13
                      Pro
                      • Nov 2011
                      • 479

                      #40
                      if this is up to the fans then tim tebow will probably have the fastest rating. dude has a cult following, hopefully this doesnt happen.
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                      • Big FN Deal
                        Banned
                        • Aug 2011
                        • 5993

                        #41
                        Re: Madden NFL 13 Ratings - Vote For the Fastest Quarterback

                        Originally posted by Senator Palmer
                        Well, hey, you did say based off their fastest known times. Now you're saying forget about the known times?

                        I don't know what kind of times Vick is turning over at 31, but Darrell Green was still running 4.3s into his late 30s. It's not inconceivable that Vick can still beat 4.4 ...

                        But 40 times aside, just looking at what I've seen. I'd still give it to Vick. I know that RGIII is a world class sprinter, but I when I've seen him in pads, he doesn't look any faster at top speed than Vick at 31. Maybe he is, but I don't think it's a hands down argument.
                        True but Green played CB and I don't ever remember him having any serious leg injuries, only that broken arm. I think Vick broke his leg playing the Ravens one year and he probably has more wear-n-tear on his body the Green. Again though, without some universal formula to account for these things, the verifiable data is the best baseline, imo.

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                        • sactown_13
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                          • Nov 2011
                          • 479

                          #42
                          just saw the three contenders.. my bad. its gotta be vick tho, and im a cowboys fan
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                          • jfsolo
                            Live Action, please?
                            • May 2003
                            • 12965

                            #43
                            Re: Madden NFL 13 Ratings - Vote For the Fastest Quarterback

                            It's Madden, with all its accompanying baggage, so I guess the mild outrage about the fan input is inevitable, but it's really much ado about nothing. Dewiel has already laid it out there. Donny, using whatever methodology he does, has already decided that all these guys are, lets say, 95 Spd. So EA lets the fans choose, and it ends up being 96, 95, 94.

                            There has been no real change to what they were going to give these players anyway. The fans aren't getting to choose the actual numbers or which players are in the voting, just getting to most likely cause an change of +1 or -1 to a few guys in a few different categories. The whole thing is quite innocuous.

                            If one wants to question their methodology for getting to that starting number for the three individuals they put in the poll, well that's a totally different argument altogether.
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                            • Senator Palmer
                              MVP
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 3314

                              #44
                              Re: Madden NFL 13 Ratings - Vote For the Fastest Quarterback

                              Originally posted by Big FN Deal
                              True but Green played CB and I don't ever remember him having any serious leg injuries, only that broken arm. I think Vick broke his leg playing the Ravens one year and he probably has more wear-n-tear on his body the Green. Again though, without some universal formula to account for these things, the verifiable data is the best baseline, imo.
                              The broken leg was in his 3rd year, and when he came back you couldn't see any difference in his speed. His first game back he ran up, through, and around the Panthers for 141 yards.

                              Not disputing that he's got his share of wear and tear, only that there is precedent for a freakish athlete like this holding onto his speed deep into his career. I certainly can't see much drop off when he gets into the open field.
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                              • gator3guy
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                                • Jul 2004
                                • 2233

                                #45
                                Re: Madden NFL 13 Ratings - Vote For the Fastest Quarterback

                                Originally posted by CRMosier_LM
                                Vick is 30+ years old if he runs a sub 4.4 I will send you my paycheck lol. Griffin ran a slow 4.38 at the combine. Dude is dam near a world class sprinter. I would say the Vick has better acceleration though.

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                                4.41 actually

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