Slide Protection: Can you trust it?

[poster]

Re: Slide Protection: Can you trust it?

Why would the back not know the DT was there?

The animation was stupid, but he has eyes, doesn't he?

Yes, he has eyes. That being said, at 2:46 of the video, he is looking the complete opposite way. He has no idea the DT has gotten through, as he isn't even looking up the middle at all. The game magically morphed him over to block. Looks awful, should have been a sack.

[LBzrule]

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How do you know its not an open side fire-zone based solely on the alignment of the safety? He could just as easily be blitzing off the edge, couldn't he?

Just knowing Madden/NCAA defensive alignments, the Safety never lines up over a slot WR on a blitz. They always split the difference; are on the line of scrimmage in a ghost 9; or on the second level in a 5. Lastly, since it is 4-3 Stack most there are only a few zone blitzes it could be, none of which would have the FS drop that far down in his Pre-snap alignment over the WR. You said it in another thread, zone blitzes in Madden/NCAA are easy to read. Even with best on best, most of them are still not overly difficult to figure out, especially if you have a grasp of the playbook and the secondary alignments.

[PGaither84]

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At first is was like "Ugh.. another article by MMChrisS?!?" then I saw it was LBzrule.

[shttymcgee]

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Just knowing Madden/NCAA defensive alignments, the Safety never lines up over a slot WR on a blitz. They always split the difference; are on the line of scrimmage in a ghost 9; or on the second level in a 5. Lastly, since it is 4-3 Stack most there are only a few zone blitzes it could be, none of which would have the FS drop that far down in his Pre-snap alignment over the WR. You said it in another thread, zone blitzes in Madden/NCAA are easy to read. Even with best on best, most of them are still not overly difficult to figure out, especially if you have a grasp of the playbook and the secondary alignments.

I know, but you shouldn't be able to know that. You should be able to run a 2-Deep/4 Under fire zone from that look.

[LBzrule]

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I know, but you shouldn't be able to know that. You should be able to run a 2-Deep/4 Under fire zone from that look.

I agree, this is where 2k's coverage shells on defense would be useful. Unfortunately, this is what madden gives us. Only best on best and no shells.

[LBzrule]

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Here is that follow up video. Notice on the first snap, they block EXACTLY like I describe they should with the slide right. But then it falls a part after that. Not sure why. With no response from a developer to tell us what is happening we are left in the dark. There are times where they block it up. But more often than not, they get confused and there is no rationale.

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[shttymcgee]

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I agree, this is where 2k's coverage shells on defense would be useful. Unfortunately, this is what madden gives us. Only best on best and no shells.

We should have coverage shells, but I meant the Safety and tight Corner as the deep defenders, with the open Corner squatting, which would fit the look in the video. BTW, the videos are horrible representations of how protections should work, no matter what way you slide.

[riichiieriich]

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Short answer: No, you can't trust it. There will always be nano's that exploit the stupid o-line AI.

[Tyrant8RDFL]

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Here is that follow up video. Notice on the first snap, they block EXACTLY like I describe they should with the slide right. But then it falls a part after that. Not sure why. With no response from a developer to tell us what is happening we are left in the dark. There are times where they block it up. But more often than not, they get confused and there is no rationale.

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When you issued the command for the shift did you enter it multiple times or one time? I tend to send a command a few times just to make sure it was entered

I tested something out last night, not to extensive but a decent amount of reps.

This is not in any way to excuse the inconsistency we are seeing with the shift , but when I pinched my line and used the rb's to block the outside pressure it worked out nicely.

I'm stating this because if the left or right shift can't be trusted with the execution on a consistent basis. We can at least be more dependent on what I utilized, which I will add I got the idea from a poster here who stated this is what he did earlier in this thread. Sorry for not remembering your name.

[Broncos86]

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When you issued the command for the shift did you enter it multiple times or one time? I tend to send a command a few times just to make sure it was entered

I tested something out last night, not to extensive but a decent amount of reps.

This is not in any way to excuse the inconsistency we are seeing with the shift , but when I pinched my line and used the rb's to block the outside pressure it worked out nicely.

I'm stating this because if the left or right shift can't be trusted with the execution on a consistent basis. We can at least be more dependent on what I utilized, which I will add I got the idea from a poster here who stated this is what he did earlier in this thread. Sorry for not remembering your name.

Sounds like a log-jam in the middle, which NCAA/Madden can't really compensate for since guys can't push others over. Then just let the RB pick up whichever side gets free.

[NoLittleBabies]

LBzrule, you are a legend. Somebody hire this guy as a consultant and the game will be greatly improved in one year. Get me to an online petition site.