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  • The ArkanSaw
    Rookie
    • Aug 2012
    • 421

    #1

    A Way To Make A.I QB's Better

    I have been working on sliders and my test games for CPU passing has been against USC. During all of my tests Matt Barkley was playing horrible and i kept trying everything to make him play like a semblance of himself. But after my 19th game i decided to look at Lane Kiffin's philosophy.

    The problem was plain and simple, LOWER THE COACHES AGGRESSIVE SLIDERS. This slider out of the box for USC was 75 and all game long the Trojans would just run 4 verticals and he would sit in the pocket and chuck up a bad throw. The aggressive slider is the home run slider aka the big play slider, it measures how much a coach wants the big play. AT 75 he would want a deep throw about every 2 plays and it makes USC very beatable and boring to play against. I put it at 50 and I'm seeing a very different Matt Barkley. Now i see more short and intermediate passes and no more hail marry's, this alone can make the CPU passing game unstoppable and can alter how hard it is to beat ranked teams. In dynasty when i play Nebraska, i shrug it off since i know Taylor Martinez will be a none factor and i bump up the CPU's run game to compensate for the lack of challenge the A.I passing has to offer. Lowering this even further will make the A.I throw nothing but short passes for 5 yards and will make them pretty predictable. 40-60 aggression is would i would work within, any higher or lower will create repetitive Hail Marry's or slant and drag throws all game.

    And maybe this slider will reduce screens from the CPU since screens may fall in the big play category, that i don't know.

    I may make a roster edit for the top 25 teams, to many things are out of whack with the offenses and defenses. Oregon's option run game stinks and Top tier QB's are brain dead because of their coaches aggressive slider. Ohio state has a 50/50 pass run slider when Urban Meyer is a spread run heavy guy. GT should run damn near every play and Houston should be letting it fly 8/10 plays. The coaching sliders should be viewed just as important as game sliders because it determines the flow of the game and i rather have Matt Barkley ripping me rather then going 15/25 every game because of a stupid little slider.
    Last edited by The ArkanSaw; 08-04-2012, 06:34 PM.
  • kzdwfy
    Pro
    • Jun 2003
    • 747

    #2
    Re: A Way To Make A.I QB's Better

    Originally posted by The ArkanSaw
    I have been working on sliders and my test games for CPU passing has been against USC. During all of my tests Matt Barkley was playing horrible and i kept trying everything to make him play like a semblance of himself. But after my 19th game i decided to look at Lane Kiffin's philosophy.

    The problem was plain and simple, LOWER THE COACHES AGGRESSIVE SLIDERS. This slider out of the box for USC was 75 and all game long the Trojans would just run 4 verticals and he would sit in the pocket and chuck up a bad throw. The aggressive slider is the home run slider aka the big play slider, it measures how much a coach wants the big play. AT 75 he would want a deep throw about every 2 plays and it makes USC very beatable and boring to play against. I put it at 50 and I'm seeing a very different Matt Barkley. Now i see more short and intermediate passes and no more hail marry's, this alone can make the CPU passing game unstoppable and can alter how hard it is to beat ranked teams. In dynasty when i play Nebraska, i shrug it off since i know Taylor Martinez will be a none factor and i bump up the CPU's run game to compensate for the lack of challenge the A.I passing has to offer. Lowering this even further will make the A.I throw nothing but short passes for 5 yards and will make them pretty predictable. 40-60 aggression is would i would work within, any higher or lower will create repetitive Hail Marry's or slant and drag throws all game.

    And maybe this slider will reduce screens from the CPU since screens may fall in the big play category, that i don't know.

    I may make a roster edit for the top 25 teams, to many things are out of whack with the offenses and defenses. Oregon's option run game stinks and Top tier QB's are brain dead because of their coaches aggressive slider. Ohio state has a 50/50 pass run slider when Urban Meyer is a spread run heavy guy. GT should run damn near every play and Houston should be letting it fly 8/10 plays. The coaching sliders should be viewed just as important as game sliders because it determines the flow of the game and i rather have Matt Barkley ripping me rather then going 15/25 every game because of a stupid little slider.

    Interesting find. I will try that out and get back to you

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    • LA NOIR
      Rookie
      • Oct 2011
      • 61

      #3
      Re: A Way To Make A.I QB's Better

      Wow nice find, i haven't played this game in a few days simply because the A.I had no common sense. Matt Barkley is a 98 ovr yet he plays like a first year QB for Nevada. I adjusted the aggression to 50 and the bomb voyage began. Matt went 23/28 281 and 3 on mostly short throws with good YAC. Nice find, and if you can fix Oregon then you should get a reward because their quack attack is whack, and their QB is clueless and all they do is get stuffed on option plays. Most they ever scored on me was 17.
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      • The ArkanSaw
        Rookie
        • Aug 2012
        • 421

        #4
        Re: A Way To Make A.I QB's Better

        Originally posted by LA NOIR
        Wow nice find, i haven't played this game in a few days simply because the A.I had no common sense. Matt Barkley is a 98 ovr yet he plays like a first year QB for Nevada. I adjusted the aggression to 50 and the bomb voyage began. Matt went 23/28 281 and 3 on mostly short throws with good YAC. Nice find, and if you can fix Oregon then you should get a reward because their quack attack is whack, and their QB is clueless and all they do is get stuffed on option plays. Most they ever scored on me was 17.
        Im working on them right now, i finished USC and Now I'm about 80% finished with Oregon's offense. Their run game is top notch as im testing and their definitely not whack anymore lol. The only Issue with them really is the aggression aspect because with it on high as i stated in the OP, they will run A lot of 4 vert plays whenever they pass but it seems to open up the running game for their QB who is a scrambler since all of the DB's and LB's are in coverage so the only people that can get to him is the D-line. I'm about to test with it on the lowest level and see if it makes their offense more realistic. Once i finish with them I'm going to make a coaches slider thread for each team (top 25 first) and release each one as i finish.

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        • MarylandMan
          Banned
          • Apr 2010
          • 931

          #5
          Re: A Way To Make A.I QB's Better

          Will I be able to download these fixes? I had a guy from ULL (my team) win the Jim Thorpe award because of his big sack numbers. That's kind of strange. I guess I can't change it if I already started a dynasty.

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          • The ArkanSaw
            Rookie
            • Aug 2012
            • 421

            #6
            Re: A Way To Make A.I QB's Better

            Originally posted by MarylandMan
            Will I be able to download these fixes? I had a guy from ULL (my team) win the Jim Thorpe award because of his big sack numbers. That's kind of strange. I guess I can't change it if I already started a dynasty.
            Yeah i will be uploading a roster with the changes in a bit, i may do every team but 1 team takes a few hours of testing so maybe i will just do the top 25 and give guidelines on how to edit any team you want.

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            • NikeBlitz
              Rookie
              • Feb 2011
              • 330

              #7
              Re: A Way To Make A.I QB's Better

              My biggest gripe with the game right now. The CPU is too da*n aggressive. They blitz 95% of the game with no common sense (3&13 ...) and of course you are prepared so big plays after big plays.

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              • Scrollbar
                Pro
                • Jun 2012
                • 848

                #8
                Re: A Way To Make A.I QB's Better

                I can say this with 100% certainty.

                Turning DOWN aggression on D and O for CPU coaches results in a much HARDER game. The CPU doesn't give up free TD's on defence, and, conversely, on offence... they don't always go for a home run. Longer sustained drives are much more difficult to deal with now. Combine this with custom playbooks with no screens or option plays and the CPU is hard as hell but not cheating on AA.

                Good find. A+ thread.

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                • tacosaban
                  Pro
                  • Jul 2009
                  • 852

                  #9
                  Re: A Way To Make A.I QB's Better

                  This should be a STICKY! Ea sports should go in and apply these changes and release it as a tuner. Too much time and work for us the paying customer to go in and make all these changes just so we can have a competitive/smart cpu opponent that makes dynasty's more fun. If I didn't have anything to do all day but, play the game. I wouldn't mind. However, I have to work so, I can give up my hard earned money to EA.
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                  • carnalnirvana
                    Pro
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 1987

                    #10
                    Re: A Way To Make A.I QB's Better

                    this i a good find by TC...i had always accepted the aggressiveness slider as only impacting whether they go for it on 4th down...

                    but trying this i believe it does impact the play calling and impacts the cpu calling deep routes all game. i have had 6 beautiful games since tweaking coaches....

                    it does not cure the stupidity of the screen plays but i see maybe 2 per 10min games....

                    also the cpu speed option is still broken however like screens i see it 1 to2 times per game...


                    this on top of my roster edits, i am starting to enjoy thi game finally..
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                    • Sausage
                      MVP
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 3915

                      #11
                      Re: A Way To Make A.I QB's Better

                      I'm fiddling with these as well. At the moment I'm not sure how far conservative I should go for an aggressive coach. For example I switched VT to 40/60 conservative on D and it appeared they attacked with more variety on D. On Offense they still loved the 4 verts, which led to several sacks and ints.

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                      • Sausage
                        MVP
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 3915

                        #12
                        Re: A Way To Make A.I QB's Better

                        Originally posted by carnalnirvana
                        this i a good find by TC...i had always accepted the aggressiveness slider as only impacting whether they go for it on 4th down...

                        but trying this i believe it does impact the play calling and impacts the cpu calling deep routes all game. i have had 6 beautiful games since tweaking coaches....

                        it does not cure the stupidity of the screen plays but i see maybe 2 per 10min games....

                        also the cpu speed option is still broken however like screens i see it 1 to2 times per game...


                        this on top of my roster edits, i am starting to enjoy thi game finally..
                        What is your formula your using to adjust coach settings?

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                        • BenGerman
                          No Place Better
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 2765

                          #13
                          Re: A Way To Make A.I QB's Better

                          I noticed this as well and before my season lowered coach aggression by about 10. Out of curiosity, how much have you changed it? I might look into changing it even more.
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                          • Chedapalooza
                            MVP
                            • Jul 2011
                            • 2467

                            #14
                            Re: A Way To Make A.I QB's Better

                            Good find.. Waiting for more info !
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                            • MarylandMan
                              Banned
                              • Apr 2010
                              • 931

                              #15
                              Re: A Way To Make A.I QB's Better

                              I am going to make the max aggressive 55 in my dynasty.

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