The more videos I watch, the less I seem to see the impact of the Infinity engine

[RGiles36]

Re: The more videos I watch, the less I seem to see the impact of the Infinity engine

I think their are more coaches who could 'talk football' than you think on OS. My question is that even if us coaches dig into the vault and bring you some goodness, how far will it really go?

You don't have to be a coach to talk football...it's not about coaching. I haven't coached nor played an organized down in my life. And I know plenty about football just through reading, attending games, sitting side by side with a friend who coaches high school, etc.

But if you think there's a slew of people who analyze the game from a football standpoint to the degree that LBz, Tomb, and others do, I'd think you're being naive.

[Cre8]

Re: The more videos I watch, the less I seem to see the impact of the Infinity engine

If they are pushing for physics and interaction over the next few games and eventually turning that into a more detailed type of gameplay I can respect that. I imagine it would be hard to do some of the things people are pleading for if they didn't take baby steps with something like real time physics.

I look at it like FIFA's progression from FIFA 10 through FIFA 12. They didn't make HUGE changes at once, but wow... you notice the improvement.

[roadman]

Re: The more videos I watch, the less I seem to see the impact of the Infinity engine

Surely he isn't the only one out there who could bring that type of depth n knowledge to the table

EA should have had someone with that type of critical thinking in relation to Xs and Os on their staff years ago.

Instead I get the feeling LBzrule and his kind were looked upon as some crazy old hermit type



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lol, well ok, but they did just hire a former NFL OL, Clint Oldenburg, Larry Richardt, heck, even the new football leader played QB in college.

It's just taking more time than anticipated.

[SteelerSpartan]

Re: The more videos I watch, the less I seem to see the impact of the Infinity engine

lol, well ok, but they did just hire a former NFL OL, Clint Oldenburg, Larry Richardt, heck, even the new football leader played QB in college.

It's just taking more time than anticipated.

which is why Im trying to gauge the level of discussions that went on down there and the value they're(EA) is placing on it now.....But its been a little hard to get GCers to describe those type of talks

[Big FN Deal]

Re: The more videos I watch, the less I seem to see the impact of the Infinity engine

I know. I'm not taking as a finger point. I've moved to a new position. The other one things were just too tight. With where I'll be for this year I should be able to make it down. The last three years were just impossible.

Please bring your own food and drink because I don't want you partaking of whatever EA/Tiburon is putting in the stuff down there! lol j/k

[djordan]

Re: The more videos I watch, the less I seem to see the impact of the Infinity engine

EA can bring in all the former NCAA/NFL players they want.If the coders can not apply what the players say into the game, the former players are rendered useless once the game goes gold.

P.S

Only former player who actually had any impact on the game was Freddie Mitchell who did the Mocap for Touch Down dances in Madden 09 lol.

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[SteelerSpartan]

Re: The more videos I watch, the less I seem to see the impact of the Infinity engine

EA can bring in all the former NCAA/NFL players they want.If the coders can not apply what the players say into the game, the former players are rendered useless once the game goes gold.

True but I don't think it ever went that far in the past..I.E..A real go at realistic systems for the core areas of Football.....

Hopefully thats changing and Infinity is a sign

[Crimsontide27]

Re: The more videos I watch, the less I seem to see the impact of the Infinity engine

Let us be honest with ourselves. What makes you think someone like LBZ can make any difference in a product from a techincal analysis point of view if they cant even get simple concepts down right.

About 2 years ago, 1 guy showed up down here ( name withheld ) with an entire notebook filled with excellent ideas, charts, diagrams, plays....darn near everything you could imagine to help improve the game. Do you think one idea made it? No.

These games are mapped out on a 3yr and 5 year cycle, no amount of input is going to change what you get. Its simply a show and tell to get people to keep the masses at ease during the turbulent quarters on upcoming release.

Ask yourself this....this past year....did the "Gamechangers" make one difference in anything you saw on NCAA? I remember them coming here talking about how impressed we would be...same as they did the year before....and the year before that....and the year before.....

Game Changers, Advisory Counsel, Community days is nothing more than marketing at its finest and it works very well. Bring some people down, pick em up from the airport in a limo...take them to their hotel on I-Drive one year, over near Kirkman the other...hang out, play some head to head, get maybe 2 hours total solo play....everyone gets in a group and discusses the good / bad....producer / underling takes notes. Peanut gallery comes back to the forums talking bout the wonderful experience and how things are going to change and we should expect greatness....

THen the game is released. Numerous problems still exsist, many new ones added....

People coming to Orlando is not going to help the project at all. Any and all information they could ever want / need / digest is posted in any one of many different forums to view from the comfort of their cubicles.

Just like another "GC" that came to community last year....HUGE recruiting guy....didnt care about anything other than recruiting, and thats fine. He was so convinced that he had recruiting figured out, only to be finally told that most of the stats he was so convinced worked, were nothing more than empty numbers in a spreadsheet and had zero value ( will not list his name since he posts here and knows who he is ).

Its all about being a "rockstar" when you show up down here, its that simple. Same way we are sometimes star struck when Chad Johnson, Shaq, or any other numerous stars show up sometimes with the kids. Heck, everyone liked Chad so much that one year his speed rating got bumped up a few notches just cuz he said he was soo slow in game...and proceeded to challenge anyone to a race in the parking lot lol.

[RGiles36]

Re: The more videos I watch, the less I seem to see the impact of the Infinity engine

EA can bring in all the former NCAA/NFL players they want.If the coders can not apply what the players say into the game, the former players are rendered useless once the game goes

Well, here's how I see it: there are now at least two former QBs involved in the Madden process: Larry Richart and Cam Weber (pretty sure he was a QB but I digress). If we look at NCAA 13, while people love it or hate it, almost everyone is complimentary to what has taken place in the passing game. I don't think of it to be some mere coincidence.

So while you may feel it's rendered useless, I feel having former players on the staff is already bearing fruit. If Clint has the same impact on the OL as the former QBs have seemed to have on the passing game, then I think that's something to look forward to.

[roadman]

Re: The more videos I watch, the less I seem to see the impact of the Infinity engine

I think you would have Shaun Mason come in here and tell us his impact had some changes on NCAA this year, in fact, he said so a few pages back.

I'm not convinced the GC program will have a positive, 0 or negative impact at this stage, but I'm willing to see if it works down the road.

Even LBz said earlier today some of his suggestions from three or 4 years ago made into Madden 12, so, there must be some kind of impact, don't you agree?

[Pinnaql3]

Re: The more videos I watch, the less I seem to see the impact of the Infinity engine

Warning: I'm gonna go away from the original intent of this thread to ask an honest question(s)
When was the last time anyone here had a viewing or hands on with Madden NFL 13?
Are the changes to the GAMEPLAY in Madden 13 enough to warrant a purchase or should I just wait until the 2014 iteration that will undoubtedly enhance the "Infinity Engine" and reveal itself as a true REAL TIME PHYSICS engine??
Asking for an honest opinion of those who have played the game.

[Tyrant8RDFL]

Re: The more videos I watch, the less I seem to see the impact of the Infinity engine

<h4>
EA/Tiburon: "What's the issue with Madden?"
Community: "It doesn't replicate the NFL was well as other sports sims do their respective sports"
EA/Tiburon: "Madden replicates the fun parts of the NFL."
Community: "It needs to replicate all the parts of the sport like the other sports sims do."
EA/Tiburon: "That wouldn't be fun."
Community: "Other sports sims do it and their fun, this only seems to be an issue with Madden."
EA/Tiburon: "What's the issue with Madden?"</h4>

Big you almost made me choke here. That last line made me laugh

I don't think half these things get brought up and it's because I don't think there is enough knowledge (no disrespect.) of these details, techniques and moves to press those questions from the outside.

Nor do I think there is enough knowledge on the inside to know how to answer and/or explain why or why not.

I honestly feel like some of these things will never be "right" or even in the game, because the people making the game and contributing to the game, don't know enough about the fundamentals of the game, let alone the techniques for each position on the field, like they are in say FIFA.

There are times I feel this way, but there are times when I feel its the foundation they use for Madden to be the ultimate issue. LBz knows his stuff, but trust me they have had people in there that knew as much or more, and still could not get it right.

I really feel there hands are tied with the engine they use for Madden, and would never admit it. We are honestly much better off waiting to see what happens in next gen.

I asked Ian this very question. Would it have been beter to carry last gen Madden over to next gen at the time, and then bring the new engine once everything was figured out, and he said yes. They rushed it.

To me that was all I needed to hear or read to be convinced this engine is not good to replicate the game of football.

Ian knew what the game needed, and man he wanted to really deliver, but this engine set him up to fail. Give him a better set of engines to work with and we get the game we want.

I went at it with Ian, but I saw he really wanted to succeed, and would have with the right tools.

[cuttingteeth]

Re: The more videos I watch, the less I seem to see the impact of the Infinity engine

My reply is to the previous comments of having someone with football knowledge be there for consulting:

The name of the game is Madden. They used to actually ask Madden what he thought. I contend that those were the years that things kept progressing. I swear, as soon as he was shooed away, you could tell the difference in the kinds of features they would plan on having and thinking they were important. Not to beat the dead, rotting horse, but seriously, do you think Madden would care about twitter implementation or Oline/Dline play instead? With Madden still being consulted, I'm thinking pass trajectories, play action and many kinds of WR catches would have been pointed out to get figured out and in the game a long time ago.

[roadman]

Re: The more videos I watch, the less I seem to see the impact of the Infinity engine

My reply is to the previous comments of having someone with football knowledge be there for consulting:

The name of the game is Madden. They used to actually ask Madden what he thought. I contend that those were the years that things kept progressing. I swear, as soon as he was shooed away, you could tell the difference in the kinds of features they would plan on having and thinking they were important. Not to beat the dead, rotting horse, but seriously, do you think Madden would care about twitter implementation or Oline/Dline play instead? With Madden still being consulted, I'm thinking pass trajectories, play action and many kinds of WR catches would have been pointed out to get figured out and in the game a long time ago.

Madden is still consulting on the game. They fly out in to his man cave in early January and discuss what are the trends he is seeing for that year.

A year or two ago, he said bubble screens and Madden needed a game planner. Those things you have seen for the past few years.

He is still consulting and making money on the deal.

[CRMosier_LM]

CRMosier_LM, they won't hear complaning from me anymore. I understand that's useless. Just gonna get questions about their game from me from now on. Thanks for answering what you could. I don't haveLarry Richart's ear so who is going to ask him those questions for me....I thought that's what the GC, CD guys were for.....Not saying that to be mean, but now do you see where I am getting at. The things that need to be asked are not being asked and the things that are being asked are not getting answers. Now can you understand some of the frustration you are witnessing here ?

LBZRule, If the devs can't tell us why then we really are in trouble , LOL.

I think its important for them to clear up things like this so we all understand whats going on in the game and can act accordingly. If no one knows the answers to anything why are they surprised by the constant complaining and strong desire expressed here to have these things fixed/discussed ?

Complaining is NOT useless. The same 10 people complaining about the same 10 things in every thread regardless of topic for months on end IS useless however. No I did not point a finger at anyone, just stating an absolute fact of life. My point being, Madden 13 is set and ready to roll... All the information they are going to release is out or finishing rolling out. If what they changed/fixed/added isn't what you want then focus has to shift on Madden 14. That's it... Arguing about what's not in Madden 13 2 months later is not going to change it... All it will do is cause resentment towards each other.

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