Do pitchers velocities vary during the season?

[Otis11]

I was using Wandy Rodriguez and noticed his 2 seam fastball was running about 89 to 91 mph. The third game I used him though it had dropped to 77 mph, even in the 1st inning. His change up is faster at 84mph. All other pitches of his were the same. I checked the edit function and it had nothing in the bars below that pitch.

I'm wondering if it's part of the game and is a way to indicate fatigue or injury or did the game screw up. I did not use the edit feature on him in the past.

Thanks.

[snuty]

Re: Do pitchers velocities vary during the season?

I was using Wandy Rodriguez and noticed his 2 seam fastball was running about 89 to 91 mph. The third game I used him though it had dropped to 77 mph, even in the 1st inning. His change up is faster at 84mph. All other pitches of his were the same. I checked the edit function and it had nothing in the bars below that pitch.

I'm wondering if it's part of the game and is a way to indicate fatigue or injury or did the game screw up. I did not use the edit feature on him in the past.

Thanks.

really? 77 mph fastball

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: Do pitchers velocities vary during the season?

The OP said that the pitch had no ratings. Here's what I'm thinking:

Any time a pitch is added to the repitiore, or even shuffled to a different pitch number in the editor (making a pitch the number 3 instead of 4, for example), the pitch itself defaults without ratings. Hence, a 77 MPH fastball.

This can occur even if the pitch type itself is changed and immediately changed back to the original. By chance, is this what's going on here? Did you enter the editor for Wandy at all for any reason?

[Otis11]

Re: Do pitchers velocities vary during the season?

No. I had never entered editor for Wandy.

I was going to enter it because he had been throwing his 2 seamer at 89mph when Fangraphs has, in it's pitch fx section, him throwing it a 91 this year. Before I remembered to do it I started the game and felt I had to finish the game first. That's when I saw 77mph 2 seamer. It has always been his 1st pitch and remained so throughout.

I can easily adjust it but was wondering if the sudden loss of velocity was part of the game.

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: Do pitchers velocities vary during the season?

No. I had never entered editor for Wandy.

I was going to enter it because he had been throwing his 2 seamer at 89mph when Fangraphs has, in it's pitch fx section, him throwing it a 91 this year. Before I remembered to do it I started the game and felt I had to finish the game first. That's when I saw 77mph 2 seamer. It has always been his 1st pitch and remained so throughout.

I can easily adjust it but was wondering if the sudden loss of velocity was part of the game.

It is NOT.

This is highly unusual...wish I could be of more help.

Unless you used a different roster when you noticed the change, my post above lays out the only possible causes to this that I'm aware of. Otherwise, it's most definitely a glitch (not to mention, a glitch I've NEVER heard of).

I think there's a rational explanation here, but you may never figure it out. I'd recommend just changing his ratings back. Individual pitch ratings are stagnant and do not progress or regress over time. It's the /9 attributes and such that do.

Good luck.

[nomo17k]

Re: Do pitchers velocities vary during the season?

Yeah, looks like a bug in which for some unidentified reason the pitcher ratings for non-pitcher is used for Wandy... When you let a non-pitcher pitch in a game (due to not handling lineup properly), that's the kind of pitches you have... mid 70s fastball with slightly faster changeup. Looks like a legit bug.

[Otis11]

Re: Do pitchers velocities vary during the season?

Thanks. I'll readjust.

[Jimbo614]

Re: Do pitchers velocities vary during the season?

Hold on one dang second!
With all due respect, I coulda sworn one of these same guys said something about a fatigue factor built into the game earlier in the season. If your pitcher starts on less than five days rest, Or if a relief pitcher pitches too many consecutive days.
Didnt somebody at the beginning of the season ask this very question? And wasnt the answer Fatigue???

What kind of innings did Wandy pitch the last two starts? Complete games? I've noticed in my game that if a pitcher throws a complete game or over 120 pitches, he tends to do horribly the game after. I don't know what their velocity was, but I just know they usually get shelled the next start.

[seanjeezy]

Re: Do pitchers velocities vary during the season?

Hold on one dang second!
With all due respect, I coulda sworn one of these same guys said something about a fatigue factor built into the game earlier in the season. If your pitcher starts on less than five days rest, Or if a relief pitcher pitches too many consecutive days.
Didnt somebody at the beginning of the season ask this very question? And wasnt the answer Fatigue???

What kind of innings did Wandy pitch the last two starts? Complete games? I've noticed in my game that if a pitcher throws a complete game or over 120 pitches, he tends to do horribly the game after. I don't know what their velocity was, but I just know they usually get shelled the next start.

Not to the effect of losing over 10 mph on the pitcher's fastball. This is what gave it away for me that its either a glitch or he unknowingly changed something:

I was using Wandy Rodriguez and noticed his 2 seam fastball was running about 89 to 91 mph. The third game I used him though it had dropped to 77 mph, even in the 1st inning. His change up is faster at 84mph. All other pitches of his were the same. I checked the edit function and it had nothing in the bars below that pitch.

I'm wondering if it's part of the game and is a way to indicate fatigue or injury or did the game screw up. I did not use the edit feature on him in the past.

Thanks.

The bars do not magically zero out, individual pitch ratings might change 1-2 points over an entire career (if that, but they're not static like some people think), not 70+ points in two days.

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: Do pitchers velocities vary during the season?

The bars do not magically zero out, individual pitch ratings might change 1-2 points over an entire career (if that, but they're not static like some people think), not 70+ points in two days.

Perhaps I stand corrected.

I don't doubt you Sean, as I know you know a lot about this game. That said, do you have any evidence (Dev quote, screen shot comparision, etc), to substantiate this?

[seanjeezy]

Re: Do pitchers velocities vary during the season?

Perhaps I stand corrected.

I don't doubt you Sean, as I know you know a lot about this game. That said, do you have any evidence (Dev quote, screen shot comparision, etc), to substantiate this?

Heroes, personally I have only seen control increase; here's a screen from a test franchise I ran a while back:



There's also this post from HustlinOwl, but its from a couple of years ago so I don't know if its still valid:

1. Weight Room -> Power R/L ->All
2. Stretching -> Durability -> All
3. Sprints -> Speed -> All
4. Long-Distance Running -> Stamina -> Pitchers
5. Batting Cages -> Contact R/L -> All
6. Hitting Coach Session -> Clutch / Plate Visibility / Plate Discipline ->All
7. Bunting Drills -> Bunting ->All
8. Base Running Drills -> Base Running Ability / Aggression -> All
9. Long Toss -> Arm Strength -> All
10. Infield Drills -> Arm Accuracy / Fielding Ability ->All
11. Shagging Fly Balls -> Reaction -> All
12. Catcher Drills -> Plate Blocking -> Catchers
13. Pitch Simulated Game -> Pitching Clutch -> Pitchers
14. Pitching Coach Session -> H/9, HR/9, K/9, BB/9 ->Pitchers
15. Bullpen Session -> Velocity, Control, Break ->Pitchers

http://www.operationsports.com/vBull...franchise.html