More NBA 2K13 Player Ratings Revealed - Pippen, Love, Davis, Ellis, Waiters and Iggy

[BezO]

Re: More NBA 2K13 Player Ratings Revealed - Pippen, Love, Davis, Ellis, Waiters and I

The difference in play between Jordan/Kobe/lebron and pippen is well worth more than 6 or less points I'm sorry. Lebron averaged "prime" pippen numbers in his rookie season almost....21..5..6....playing with a bottom of the barrel cavs team at 19 years of age. Pippen didn't sustain anything over 20 points for like 7 years after his best statistical season...literally everything went down year after year...lebron is on year what...10 or 11? We don't even know if he's reached his prime yet and has already much better of a stud than pippen and your going to tell me pippen in his prime is a 92? If pippen at his best is a 92 than lebron has to be 105 when its all said and done...the rating scale is rendered off at that point...

I believe you & others are putting too much into the stats. I'm looking at the skill set. Pippen & LeBron have a very similar skill set.

Many times the stats have as much to do with the team make up as a player's skill. Quite a few of Pippen's teammates were 6'10-7'0. Giving up rebounds to them doesn't take away from his rebounding skill.

IMO, he could score in more ways than LeBron because he could play in the post. But he played along side MJ, the best scorer of his generation. Giving up points to him doesn't take away from his scoring ability.

Playing along side Jordan probably took away from his assist numbers too since MJ handled the ball so much & created much of his own shots.

And I don't care what the numbers say. Pippen was a much better defender than LeBron is. IMO, he's the best perimeter defender of all time. On ball, playing the lanes, defending the post, coming from the weakside, chase down blocks, full court pressure on PGs... he did it all, consistently.

*Edit: What individual ratings would you give LeBron over Pippen, and by how much?

Is Iggy worthy of a dream team appearance if it was all about the very best players in the league to fill up a 10-12 man roster?

They try to put together teams now instead of grabbing all the best players... rebounders, defenders, 6th men, shooters, etc. That was not the case in '92. Outside of Laettner, that team was made up of the best players in the league at the time. There were no Chandlers, Hardens or Iguodalas on the original Dream Team.

Pippen is a great player..he was on the dream team because he is good and happened to want to play on the dream team. Plenty of players play or don't play on the dream team for various reasons outside if they are the best of the best in the league...just ask Isaiah Thomas.

Isaiah got snubbed. Stockton should not have been on that team ahead of him. But no one is complaining about Pippen taking a more deserving player's spot.

And I'm not aware of anyone turning down a spot on the original Dream Team.

[Itsfuntobethespurs]

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Jared Dudley LOL wtf man. Still haven't shown lebron wade Dwight or rose, yet there about to reveal Jared Dudley's rating? Haha o man. If this guy is in the 80's then the 2kinsider needs to be banned from basketball Forever.

They've just announce that Allen Iverson is in the game (I'm guessing 2001 vs Lakers, 94 rating) and you're talking about Dudley, man? Come on!

[Jonnie]

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They've just announce that Allen Iverson is in the game (I'm guessing 2001 vs Lakers, 94 rating) and you're talking about Dudley, man? Come on!

this is a thread for ratings, not A.I. I commented on the edition of him in the thread for him, not here.

[rangerrick012]

Iggy should NOT be a 88 3pt shooter. That was a huge problem in 2k12, inflated 3pt ratings making everyone drain 3s like Reggie.

80 max, and even that's stretching it IMO.

[Nokstar]

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..and if there was a rating for something that measured how successful a player is during contact on the floor or in midair..he'd be over pippen as well.

..that's just off top I'd have to be physically looking at all the attributes to get more in depth.

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[Nokstar]

Check lebrons playoff career averages as well...28.5...8.7 rebounds...7.1 assists...1.6 blocks

...as the main focus for other teams...teams playing the bulls had to worry about Jordan first and foremost before pippen..its harder when the bullseye is squared in you first.
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[Nokstar]

I think pippen is a better on ball defender...I think lebron plays passing lanes better..

Pippen can shoot better in more spots on the floor...shoots better from the free throw line..they are close steals wise...other than that..lebron IMO is better than him in almost everything else.

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[Itsfuntobethespurs]

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Dudley's a 75. This clearly shows that everyones ratings are up this year. I mean, dudley is a borderline starter, that used to be a 72 rating or so

[BlakkMajik3000]

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You're typing too much for nothing..I don't care if he would or wouldn't be the player he is with Jordan or without him ..I'm saying the player he is ...is not worth a 92 overall rating. He was a great player but not superstar material. In my book you arent worthy of a 90+ rating unless you are a superstar player. If we giving players like pippen a 92 then we are messing up the rating scale....there's only room for 8 points difference between him and the "perfect" player.

The difference in play between Jordan/Kobe/lebron and pippen is well worth more than 6 or less points I'm sorry. Lebron averaged "prime" pippen numbers in his rookie season almost....21..5..6....playing with a bottom of the barrel cavs team at 19 years of age. Pippen didn't sustain anything over 20 points for like 7 years after his best statistical season...literally everything went down year after year...lebron is on year what...10 or 11? We don't even know if he's reached his prime yet and has already much better of a stud than pippen and your going to tell me pippen in his prime is a 92? If pippen at his best is a 92 than lebron has to be 105 when its all said and done...the rating scale is rendered off at that point.

I hate that I even have to debate this because pippen is one of my favorite players and this whole thing gives off the impression to others that I don't like him or something...I'm just realistic.

Your going to bring up pippen taking the bulls to the playoffs a random season compared to lebron doing that every year of his career pretty much...from the arguable worst team in the league to where's he's at now? Cmon man..

Here's a test for you..where do YOU put pippen on a top 20 list OF ALL TIME that you've watched play?


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That's the thing though, in his prime, Pippen was a superstar player. However, you tend to get overlooked when you're playing with someone like Jordan.

If we're going top 20 of all time, limiting it to those I've watched play, he is in the top 5, and definitely my favorite SF of all-time.

[DukeC]

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Iggy should NOT be a 88 3pt shooter. That was a huge problem in 2k12, inflated 3pt ratings making everyone drain 3s like Reggie.

80 max, and even that's stretching it IMO.

Sorry rick...but he shot the 3 like he was an 87-88 3pt shooter.

[iLLosophy]

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Sorry rick...but he shot the 3 like he was an 87-88 3pt shooter.

This is one point where I don't agree with you on the Iggy argument. Guys who are 87-88 3pt shooters make a lot of contested threes. Don't get me wrong, he nailed open 3's, but 88 and above is for guys who can nail 3's with a hand in their face. Those weren't the type of shots Iggy was making his money off of.

[Thunder Storm]

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This is one point where I don't agree with you on the Iggy argument. Guys who are 87-88 three 3pt shooters make a lot of contested threes. Don't get me wrong, he nailed them, but 88 and above is for guys who can nail 3's with a hand in their face. Those weren't the type of shots Iggy was making his money off of.

bingo.

This is where contested shot comes into play. 2K knows what they're doing, don't worry about the raw rating, other things will factor in and balance it out.

[thuglife74]

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you all need to realize pipp played in a much tougher era. i'd bet he could contend with lebron's numbers if he were in today's game and probably even surpass him. i am not impressed with today's nba.

it's cool to discuss it and all, but don't complain because you CAN change the numbers.

[hoi514]

I believe you & others are putting too much into the stats. I'm looking at the skill set. Pippen & LeBron have a very similar skill set.

Many times the stats have as much to do with the team make up as a player's skill. Quite a few of Pippen's teammates were 6'10-7'0. Giving up rebounds to them doesn't take away from his rebounding skill.

IMO, he could score in more ways than LeBron because he could play in the post. But he played along side MJ, the best scorer of his generation. Giving up points to him doesn't take away from his scoring ability.

Playing along side Jordan probably took away from his assist numbers too since MJ handled the ball so much & created much of his own shots.

And I don't care what the numbers say. Pippen was a much better defender than LeBron is. IMO, he's the best perimeter defender of all time. On ball, playing the lanes, defending the post, coming from the weakside, chase down blocks, full court pressure on PGs... he did it all, consistently.

*Edit: What individual ratings would you give LeBron over Pippen, and by how much?

They try to put together teams now instead of grabbing all the best players... rebounders, defenders, 6th men, shooters, etc. That was not the case in '92. Outside of Laettner, that team was made up of the best players in the league at the time. There were no Chandlers, Hardens or Iguodalas on the original Dream Team.

Isaiah got snubbed. Stockton should not have been on that team ahead of him. But no one is complaining about Pippen taking a more deserving player's spot.

And I'm not aware of anyone turning down a spot on the original Dream Team.

it was totally different era, at the time when NBA teams drew bad blood. Isiah Thomas could've made Dream Team based on talent alone BUT inclusion of him would hurt the chemistry when number of players refused to have him on the team included Jordan, K Malone, Magic Johnson, etc.

The best team assembled does not necessary putting 12 best players together. Skill set of these players need to be compatible and address teams needed. If not, Boozer would not been included in Redeem Team.

I have no problem with Chris Mullin on the Dream Team because that team needs an sharp shooter like him. In additional, he was a pretty good team defender and had almost 2 steal per game . The committee chose Christian Laettner instead of Shaq because of his ability to knock down perimeter shot and Laettner was NCAA champ. Dream Team did not need Shaq on the team to play against that level of competition. It might be different issue were 92 Dream Team is built to beat 2012 Team USA .

Anyways, Scottie Pippen is the best wing defender of all time. No questions about it. He may not be an elite offensive players but he is an ultimate team player who could make teammates involved in the game.