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Originally Posted by ojandpizza |
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Dude steal numbers don't equal great on ball defense.. Steal number more reflect quick hands.. The same reason a player like AI always had impressive steal numbers.. You're gonna tell me he was a great defensive player too???
I never said anything negative about CP3, Westbrook, or Rondos defense???....I said Deron was more versatile defensively than CP3.. And CP3 and Deron have almost identical assist stats over their career so giving CP the esge doesnt make sense, especially since he has been dishing off to far better teammates...
and Westbrook should in no way be above either of them.. He shouldn't even be above Rondo.. Do you even know what a PG I supposed to do??? It sure as hell isn't jack up 20+ shots per game and gamble around all over on defense, taking shots early in the shot clock and not getting your team into a flow early in games.. As far as being an overall player yeah Westbrook is a stud, as far as being a PG he still needs a lot of work
The only edge he has over any of them is his athletic ability, which should never automatically give you a higher overall.. Not to mention D Will has been on a horrible team this past year while Westbrook and CP3 have had the luxury of playing on really good playoff teams.
Deron is by far the most versatile player offensively of all the PGs.. He can hit the 3s like CP3, get to the hole as well as Rondo, or Rose.. Nail the pull up as well as Westbrook all while playing under control and smart much like CP3 does.. he passes as well as CP3, while I would have Rondo slightly ahead of them both in that department..
. Don't let one off year hurt Deron's legacy.. Like I said ESPN and NBA.com both had him rated as the top PG in the league, even back when CP3 was making a run at the MVP award, and Steve Nash was still very impressive.. I guess they were wrong too?
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Arguing over who is better among these point guards is kind of ridiculous, as they are all top tier, all-star level guards who will all be up around 90-94. However, I do have a couple general points to bring up in regards to Westbrook:
(1) I keep hearing people complaining that he's "not a real point guard" cause he shoots too much or drives too much or doesn't pass enough, as that's not what point guards are supposed to do. Well, "point guard" is just a label to fit players into definable roles. Once they're on the court, it's just basketball. Westbrook transcends his position, as he is on his own planet in terms of explosiveness and athletic ability. He shouldn't be penalized because he plays the position differently, he should be rewarded because he plays it in ways other point guards cannot. Similarly, Power Forwards are not, traditionally, supposed to be jump-shooting scorers and 3pt specialists, yet Dirk became one of the best players ever doing just that. He transcended the position (and really changed it forever).
(2) The whole, "so-and-so was playing on a better team so he had better players that made it easier for him" argument is incredibly short-sighted. One of the main reasons OKC is a great team is BECAUSE Westbrook is on the team. They're not two exclusive things. (Same with CP3 making the Clippers into a playoff team- it's because he's so great.) The fact that Westbrook can put up such big numbers while playing alongside another, more prolific scorer should prove that he is, in fact, even better than his numbers suggest. The same way Bosh's numbers went down when Wade/LeBron get all the shots (and Wade's numbers went down alongside LeBron, etc), should make numbers that Westbrook puts up along side Durant even more impressive.
Again, DWill is great. He should get a 90-91 rating. However, I personally believe that Westbrook has certain skills outside of shooting and passing that are better and will make him just as good (if not slightly better) in terms of overall rating. I could see them both at 91 to be honest. CP3 will (and should) be slightly better rated than both, even though DWill will be a better scorer.