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  • J_Posse
    Greatness Personified
    • Jun 2005
    • 11255

    #226
    Re: NBA 2K13 - All 31 Signature Skills Revealed

    Originally posted by francium34
    my bad, i basically jumbled two arguments together.
    1 was that these players shouldn't have those skills. Kemba shot 36.6% last year, he shouldn't be getting any FG bump. Lin didn't play particularly impressive on ball defense. etc (this is of course only my opinion, and can be easily changed by roster edits)

    2. Because 2k decided to cap SS at 5, great players suffer. Let's assume LeBron gets Lockdown, Chase block, shot creator, finisher, and playmaker. But in real life I'd argue he also throws great lop passes, probably better than Felton. Felton (Alley-Ooper) gets a bump in attributes while Lebron doesn't. I hope 2k makes the game so that Felton's passing is only OK normally, but gets bumped up when throwing lobs, but even then he should still not be as effective as LeBron.
    Valid points, that I tend to agree with. As this feature is refined and structured better in future iterations the Sig Skill cap limit may increase or be removed entirely. I think for the first year that having a cap limit is acceptable.

    I'm hoping they add one for players that use floaters a lot (i.e. Tony Parker, Derrick Rose, Chris Paul and Gary Neal) in the future.
    Last edited by J_Posse; 09-02-2012, 06:35 PM.
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    • djwax90
      Rookie
      • Oct 2010
      • 283

      #227
      Re: NBA 2K13 - All 31 Signature Skills Revealed

      Originally posted by RyanFitzmagic
      Or maybe it was because of the coaching :-O
      Right, the players said Chandler was the sole addition to the team that changed the defensive culture of the team, so that means they think Carlisle and his assistants are why the defensive culture of the team changed. Your logic astounds me. PS: stop trying to argue against the interviews without having watched them, because you clearly didn't.

      Originally posted by RyanFitzmagic
      I already posted statistical evidence that the Mavs were Top 10 with Chandler in 2011 and Top 10 without him in 2012. You can put your fingers in your ear and go "lalalalala I can't hear you" if you want, but that won't make me wrong.
      The 2011 to 2012 argument holds no water compared to the 2010-2011 argument. 99% of my argument has been about the change from 2010 to 2011: a dramatic change rather than no significant change. I said (one time) Chandler's impact had carried over from 2011 to 2012, and you refuse to believe that that could possibly ever be true. I haven't even touched on the 2011 to 2012 stats in about 5 posts. It's like you're clinging to it for dear life.

      I think I'll chalk up the rest of your posts to sheer trolling. Clearly, by way of likes, people seem to agree you've already been delivered a hefty smackdown.
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      • francium34
        Rookie
        • Nov 2011
        • 8

        #228
        Re: NBA 2K13 - All 31 Signature Skills Revealed

        Originally posted by youALREADYknow
        Pretty much what was expected: Some good, some bad. It's still going to come down to roster implementation at the end of the day, so we won't know the final verdict until October 2nd.

        My only problem with what was posted are some of the modifiers. 6-12 point attribute point changes for teammates/opponents because of a player having a Sig Skill are a bit drastic. 10-30% differences in probabilities are drastic changes from the baseline.

        I know why it was done though. They want the effect to be obvious and in your face. It's still somewhat arcade-based and something I'd expect from an NBA Jam game. Quite a few of the skills can be manipulated for the sim crowd when combined with objective and very thoroughly designed rosters and that's the good news that can be taken away from this.
        It's going to be interesting. 2k is essentially trying to mimic "momentum" and "chemistry". :wink:Mystics terms that stat heads furiously debate. (like the kind we see right here)

        It might make a better gaming experience, but I worry the competitive-online community will not be too thrilled.

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        • Da_Czar
          NBA 2K Gameplay Producer, Offensive AI System - SIM NATION
          • Jul 2002
          • 5408

          #229
          Re: NBA 2K13 - All Signature Skills Revealed

          Originally posted by RyanFitzmagic
          Wouldn't a shooter normally be deterred by a shot-blocker simply because the shot will be blocked, and not because some supernatural, Space-Jam talent decrease will occur as a result?
          I'm not here to dance with you over something you apparently don't think is a good idea. LOL You have your opinion I offered a different viewpoint.
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          • Boilerbuzz
            D* B**rs!
            • Jul 2002
            • 5154

            #230
            Re: NBA 2K13 - All 31 Signature Skills Revealed

            Originally posted by RyanFitzmagic
            No, the times you succeed do NOT go up. The times you get bailed out for getting dusted by your assignment go up.

            Dwight Howard on the floor does not make Turkoglu a better defender. Turkoglu can play tight because he knows Dwight will cover up his mistakes, but whether or not Dwight was there, Hedo would still get dusted.
            Yes they do. Example - I attempt no steals - I get zero steals. I attempt 5 steals, get 1 one (Chandler covers up the missed 4). Net effect - +1 steal!

            Simple enough? Now, what do you want to call that effect?!

            Another poster said - Chandler allows him to pressure the ball more leading to tougher passes and more contested shots at the risk of the drive that Chandler covers up. What do you want to call that effect?

            You're coming off as if the effect is going to turn every teammate into Gary Payton. Well, hell, a guy that's rated 55 versus 50 is still ***. Why is this such a big deal for you? Just answer that. I'm not going to argue the rest with you.

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            • RyanFitzmagic
              MVP
              • Oct 2011
              • 1959

              #231
              Re: NBA 2K13 - All 31 Signature Skills Revealed

              Originally posted by djwax90
              Right, the players said Chandler was the sole addition to the team that changed the defensive culture of the team, so that means they think Carlisle and his assistants are why the defensive culture of the team changed. Your logic astounds me. PS: stop trying to argue against the interviews without having watched them, because you clearly didn't.

              The 2011 to 2012 argument holds no water compared to the 2010-2011 argument. 99% of my argument has been about the change from 2010 to 2011: a dramatic change rather than no significant change. I said (one time) Chandler's impact had carried over from 2011 to 2012, and you refuse to believe that that could possibly ever be true. I haven't even touched on the 2011 to 2012 stats in about 5 posts. It's like you're clinging to it for dear life.

              I think I'll chalk up the rest of your posts to sheer trolling. Clearly, by way of likes, people seem to agree you've already been delivered a hefty smackdown.
              So the fact that Dallas didn't fall off at all without Chandler means nothing to you. Okay.

              Your ignorance is dazzling.

              Originally posted by Da_Czar
              I'm not here to dance with you over something you apparently don't think is a good idea. LOL You have your opinion I offered a different viewpoint.
              You didn't answer my question. Is that or is that not how intimidation by shot-blockers works?

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              • RyanFitzmagic
                MVP
                • Oct 2011
                • 1959

                #232
                Re: NBA 2K13 - All 31 Signature Skills Revealed

                Originally posted by Boilerbuzz
                Yes they do. Example - I attempt no steals - I get zero steals. I attempt 5 steals, get 1 one (Chandler covers up the missed 4). Net effect - +1 steal!

                Simple enough? Now, what do you want to call that effect?!
                ... that's not making you better. That's just making you more willing to gamble. If your defensive anchor wasn't there, you could still get the 1 in 5 steals, because YOU'RE THE EXACT SAME PLAYER.

                Originally posted by Boilerbuzz
                Another poster said - Chandler allows him to pressure the ball more leading to tougher passes and more contested shots at the risk of the drive that Chandler covers up. What do you want to call that effect?
                A change in TENDENCIES, not ABILITY.

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                • Thunder Storm
                  Rookie
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 480

                  #233
                  Re: NBA 2K13 - All 31 Signature Skills Revealed

                  Originally posted by Boilerbuzz
                  Yes they do. Example - I attempt no steals - I get zero steals. I attempt 5 steals, get 1 one (Chandler covers up the missed 4). Net effect - +1 steal!

                  Simple enough? Now, what do you want to call that effect?!

                  Another poster said - Chandler allows him to pressure the ball more leading to tougher passes and more contested shots at the risk of the drive that Chandler covers up. What do you want to call that effect?

                  You're coming off as if the effect is going to turn every teammate into Gary Payton. Well, hell, a guy that's rated 55 versus 50 is still ***. Why is this such a big deal for you? Just answer that. I'm not going to argue the rest with you.
                  Well put. The effect Chandler has translates into more opportunities to make good defensive plays. Thus 2K's increase in rating when Anchors are on the floor.

                  It makes sense.
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                  • TheManofSteel3kO
                    Rookie
                    • Sep 2011
                    • 108

                    #234
                    Re: NBA 2K13 - All 31 Signature Skills Revealed

                    @RyanFitzmagic

                    You've turned this thread from being about the signature skills, to you trying to make a point at why this addition is so bad because of "Defensive Anchor" etc. You run your mouth about your opinion and such. But now can the topic be the focus. Instead of the bickering matter of stats and opinion. It takes two obviously a leader and coaches. Obviously players like Tyson Chandler is able to bring to the players what the coaches want better than most. And it left a lasting effect because they still have the coaches that were there and the players that played with Tyson are also still there. Then Tyson went to the Knick brought his presence there and the Knicks have Woodson to draw up the defense to help facilitate on the court. And Tyson as the "defensive anchor" is to make sure the players get the memo. So it's a two way street to walk on.
                    Last edited by TheManofSteel3kO; 09-02-2012, 06:43 PM.
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                    • Boilerbuzz
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                      • Jul 2002
                      • 5154

                      #235
                      Re: NBA 2K13 - All 31 Signature Skills Revealed

                      Originally posted by RyanFitzmagic
                      ... that's not making you better. That's just making you more willing to gamble. If your defensive anchor wasn't there, you could still get the 1 in 5 steals, because YOU'RE THE EXACT SAME PLAYER.
                      That's not making you better. It's making the EFFECT of you defense go up. It's allowing you to play a more effective but higher risk defense - which is effectively a defensive boost! It's called encapsulation. The details aren't the key. The overall message/effect is. That's all.


                      A change in TENDENCIES, not ABILITY.
                      And - AGAIN - a tendency is NOT a rating. It's NOT a skill. Tendency to swing at a ball is not the ability to make contact. Two DIFFERENT things.

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                      • RyanFitzmagic
                        MVP
                        • Oct 2011
                        • 1959

                        #236
                        Re: NBA 2K13 - All 31 Signature Skills Revealed

                        Originally posted by Boilerbuzz
                        That's not making you better. It's making the EFFECT of you defense go up. It's allowing you to play a more effective but higher risk defense - which is effectively a defensive boost! It's called encapsulation. The details aren't the key. The overall message/effect is. That's all.
                        Wrong. It's not making your player more able to get steals. It's making him more willing to go for steals. BIG DIFFERENCE.

                        Originally posted by Boilerbuzz
                        And - AGAIN - a tendency is NOT a rating. It's NOT a skill. Tendency to swing at a ball is not the ability to make contact. Two DIFFERENT things.
                        I never said it was. But playing tighter defense because of your defensive anchor is NOT A CHANGE IN ABILITY. IT'S A CHANGE IN TENDENCY.

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                        • Boilerbuzz
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                          • Jul 2002
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                          #237
                          Re: NBA 2K13 - All 31 Signature Skills Revealed

                          Originally posted by RyanFitzmagic
                          Wrong. It's not making your player more able to get steals. It's making him more willing to go for steals. BIG DIFFERENCE.

                          I never said it was. But playing tighter defense because of your defensive anchor is NOT A CHANGE IN ABILITY. IT'S A CHANGE IN TENDENCY.
                          So are you saying you want it to affect team's tendencies instead of the skill? Is THAT the core of your argument. Because if it is, I apologize and I'll say you would have a valid argument. Not one that I would agree with 100%, but I could see the argument.

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                          • lv2bll
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                            • Mar 2009
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                            #238
                            This arguing.......... No matter what either say its not changing anything on the others minds.

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                            • RyanFitzmagic
                              MVP
                              • Oct 2011
                              • 1959

                              #239
                              Re: NBA 2K13 - All 31 Signature Skills Revealed

                              Originally posted by Boilerbuzz
                              So are you saying you want it to affect team's tendencies instead of the skill? Is THAT the core of your argument. Because if it is, I apologize and I'll say you would have a valid argument. Not one that I would agree with 100%, but I could see the argument.
                              That is EXACTLY what I'm arguing.

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                              • Thunder Storm
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                                • Dec 2010
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                                #240
                                Re: NBA 2K13 - All 31 Signature Skills Revealed

                                Originally posted by RyanFitzmagic
                                playing tighter defense because of your defensive anchor is NOT A CHANGE IN ABILITY. IT'S A CHANGE IN TENDENCY.
                                This is also true.

                                There has to be a middle ground, but 2K doesn't yet have the technology to make a one man anchored defense in real life play the same way in the game, the AI is not smart enough yet. The effect they've given Chandler is closest were gonna get. Deal with it.
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