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  • Lofty
    Rookie
    • Feb 2012
    • 102

    #31
    I dont understand how they made a huge turnaround in 09 and 10. The pace was right, the style of play was getting better and the game started representing what it says on the box. Last year seemed like a step back, and now this year its more pokemon-esque card rubbish with sped up skill stick trash.

    I know we can tweak a very few amount of things in the game like game speed, but out of the box it should at the very least have a correct flow. This seems to be the general rule of thumb with EA. Every sports game is tweaked to play quite well and then they just speed it up so children dont get 'bored'.

    Very hit and miss (no pun intended)

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    • Moses Shuttlesworth
      AB>
      • Aug 2006
      • 9435

      #32
      Re: FIFA 13 Gameplay Videos and More

      As much as I want to buy this game, why does it look more arcadish than 12?

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      • artmind
        Banned
        • Aug 2012
        • 31

        #33
        Re: FIFA 13 Gameplay Videos and More

        Originally posted by Qb
        Ummm, artmind, I said NO generalizations and rhetoric. Seriously man, I'm trying to be diplomatic about this, but please stop posting this stuff. The fact you're extending it to other sports only makes it worse. You can dislike EA Sports all you want, but please leave your agenda at the door if you want to discuss the games at OS.

        We encourage critical and, above all, civil discussions. We don't need parroted platitudes about business/marketing practices. Thank you for your cooperation.
        I don't understand what you want from me?! What about freedom of speech and all that stuff which you are so proud? I didn't abuse nobody

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        • RoyceDa59
          Chillin
          • Aug 2003
          • 3840

          #34
          Re: FIFA 13 Gameplay Videos and More

          Originally posted by artmind
          I don't understand what you want from me?! What about freedom of speech and all that stuff which you are so proud? I didn't abuse nobody
          Most important thing is to keep from comparing this game to the other game so it doesn't start a flame war. You are able to say all you wan't about FIFA in this thread/topic/forum but refrain from bringing in the other game as comparison.

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          • Gnemi
            Rookie
            • Jan 2012
            • 1519

            #35
            Re: FIFA 13 Gameplay Videos and More

            I'd like to caution everyone against overreacting to these initial gameplay videos. Most of them are being played by very young people looking to perform every dribbling trick in the book, regardless of where they are on the pitch or who has possession of the football. They're also trying to score in the least amount of time possible.

            Look at the following video, that came out around the same time last year:



            Even the human vs. CPU stuff that initially came out looked awful:



            However, as many of us know, FIFA 12 gameplay was made fairly decent with changes to difficulty settings / game speed / sliders / tactics. Was it perfect? Uhhh not even remotely. But, it was better than the first videos led us to believe.

            I'm just not going to look at any of these gameplay videos anymore, because they're proving to be rather misleading, incomplete, and discouraging.

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            • lnin0
              MVP
              • Aug 2003
              • 1508

              #36
              Re: FIFA 13 Gameplay Videos and More

              Adjusting sliders, tactics and ratings after the fact can help Human VS CPU play to some extent but even with all the adjustments FIFA 12 is still lacking a true soccer IQ. You cannot add this logic after the fact with tweaks. Secondly, online play is default which means cheap exploit and overpowered stats are unavoidable. That right there is the game breaker for me. If I want that I will go buy FIFA Street and love it to death. If I want something resembling the true game then I just don't see FIFA differentiating itself that much from Street outside of the obvious cosmetic differences.

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              • Gnemi
                Rookie
                • Jan 2012
                • 1519

                #37
                Re: FIFA 13 Gameplay Videos and More

                Yeah, as an offline only player, I understand that completely. You're also right about the lack of fundamental football logic in the game. FIFA 12, as deep as it was for Career Mode, became monochromatic in terms of gameplay. By the end of my third season, it didn't genuinely matter if my opponent was Cardiff City or Manchester City.

                Nonetheless, I enjoyed it quite a lot and if they fix the problems with the Youth Academy and progression, I find the FIFA Career Mode deep enough to enjoy despite its inferior football.

                Maybe this year I'll be able to enjoy the Master League, but the descriptions of it for 2013 don't sound promising.

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                • eyeamg0dly
                  MVP
                  • May 2009
                  • 1675

                  #38
                  Re: FIFA 13 Gameplay Videos and More

                  its funny as much as i dislike the high pace in fifa. it really doesnt compare to madden or ncaa. i was just watching plays of the week and it seriously is out of control in those games. at least in fifa they look somewhat more natural moving instead of skating on ice or grass rather.

                  as far as people bashing the game. i can understand. yet at the same time i dont expect them to have it completely together yet. they dont have to fix everything at once. just as long as they dont break things and overall improve the game (although slightly), i can give them my support.

                  in all games, people will take advantage of anything they can while playing online. ive just learned to play with other people who have the same interest in me. remember, just because you can play cheesy and unsim like, it doesnt mean you have to. id rather have that freedom available then to be forced to play only the way the developer wants me to.
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                  • Gnemi
                    Rookie
                    • Jan 2012
                    • 1519

                    #39
                    Re: FIFA 13 Gameplay Videos and More

                    Yeah, my appreciation of FIFA grows exponentially when I look at the Madden series. I downloaded the demo for Madden 13 and my jaw dropped at the sheer cartoon silliness of it.

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                    • Cavani161
                      Rookie
                      • Dec 2011
                      • 159

                      #40
                      Re: FIFA 13 Gameplay Videos and More

                      As a certified travel head coach here in NJ, I'm not really into the style that EA is pushing with their FIFA game. The biggest issue with me is the AI, which is something PES has. I just don't feel any play build up whatsoever, or any strategy...let's just worry about pace and blow past everyone.

                      I have season ticket, so when this comes out I will play it, but I highly doubt I will pick this up as I already know I'm getting PES.

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                      • Nieb498
                        Rookie
                        • Aug 2012
                        • 24

                        #41
                        Re: FIFA 13 Gameplay Videos and More

                        So go buy PeS and enjoy the lack of licensing and lack of teams. For those of us who don't have hours upon hours to sit on our rears and nitpick and play hours upon hours of games FIFA is fine. I enjoy it when I play and that is dandy with me. Now go over to the PES forums and take your little man poison cloud with you.

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                        • Matt10
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 16500

                          #42
                          Re: FIFA 13 Gameplay Videos and More

                          Originally posted by Cavani161
                          As a certified travel head coach here in NJ, I'm not really into the style that EA is pushing with their FIFA game. The biggest issue with me is the AI, which is something PES has. I just don't feel any play build up whatsoever, or any strategy...let's just worry about pace and blow past everyone.

                          I have season ticket, so when this comes out I will play it, but I highly doubt I will pick this up as I already know I'm getting PES.
                          I think with the right sliders - FIFA will always come close. It's just a matter of the little things that tend to happen and not make an realistic sense. For example in FIFA 12, the cleared ball would always find the foot of the attacker - there would be no sense of a loose ball. The ball would always be attached to predestined area no matte what.

                          I will still get FIFA, but will keep my receipt as well. I hope someone posts a video against the AI soon though.

                          Originally posted by Nieb498
                          So go buy PeS and enjoy the lack of licensing and lack of teams. For those of us who don't have hours upon hours to sit on our rears and nitpick and play hours upon hours of games FIFA is fine. I enjoy it when I play and that is dandy with me. Now go over to the PES forums and take your little man poison cloud with you.
                          Nieb, this discussion has been mature and constructive before yours. So either contribute, or don't say anything at all. This isn't a PES vs FIFA thread. It's about the collective disgust/confusion we have towards the videos posted. It doesn't look like what real soccer is - it doesn't even come close. It's closer to SuperStar soccer than it is FIFA 12.

                          The licensing and lack of teams (??) in PES is not at topic here. We are free to bring up other games to compare - EA has seemingly forgotten this, as has yourself apparently. We wouldn't be in here if we didn't care about the direction of FIFA, nor would we have produced some constructive criticism either. Your post, however, accomplishes nothing - and doesn't go for any sort of good of either game's progression.
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                          • dubcity
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • May 2012
                            • 17869

                            #43
                            Re: FIFA 13 Gameplay Videos and More

                            Originally posted by Matt10
                            I think with the right sliders - FIFA will always come close. It's just a matter of the little things that tend to happen and not make an realistic sense. For example in FIFA 12, the cleared ball would always find the foot of the attacker - there would be no sense of a loose ball. The ball would always be attached to predestined area no matte what.
                            Another example that comes to mind: tackling the ball away from an opponent, only to have it go straight to one of his teammates, typically acting as an unintentional through pass to a guy in a better attacking position. There's just a real lack of randomness in FIFA. Stuff like that is a reason why one of my wireless controls is in the trash bin.

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                            • Nieb498
                              Rookie
                              • Aug 2012
                              • 24

                              #44
                              Re: FIFA 13 Gameplay Videos and More

                              So I guess the 5 or 6 comments regarding how it's PES for sure this year are constructive as well?

                              It's really time to realize that no video game is going to ever be a true sports simulation, never, ever. Madden is not true football, The show is not real baseball, the NHL series is not real hockey and so on and so forth. I don't get the constant barrage of negative. Every forum is littered with a consistent yammering of anger and displeasure that sounds like a bunch of spoiled children.
                              If I had logged onto the why FIFA isn't that great thread then I wouldn't be surprised by the content. But this was the latest video thread, and you know what? I agree the videos left me saying Eh. But I also look at it and say, this is the style of play the players choose to use I personally don't mash the sprint button down and my defense isn't anywhere near that awful, I'm sure the sliders havent been adjusted to what I would use, and custom tactics certainly haven't been applied. But to get on here and bag the crap out of the entire game based on short out of the box videos? C'mon really?
                              There are elements in every sport that a computer program can simply not recreate. The biggest being the human element, no programmcan ever reproduce that. If you are unhappy with you'd experience out of the box, tweak the sliders to closer get the experience that you want. If you still can make yourself happy, STOP BUYING EA GAMES. Coming on here advising us that you are going to buy a different game is pointless. Do it and be happy with your decision, but no one here cares.
                              I come to this site to get the latest news, videos, and see how other players adjust thier slider. To the people behind the scenes I personally thank you for your hard work. It's aggravating to come here and read person after person just complain and caper. It's not constructive, if you haven't figured out EA doesn't give a damn by now then you need to wake up and smell the profit they pull yearly.
                              Last edited by Nieb498; 09-09-2012, 11:31 AM. Reason: Added content

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                              • Qb
                                All Star
                                • Mar 2003
                                • 8814

                                #45
                                Re: FIFA 13 Gameplay Videos and More

                                Matt10 and Nieb498 (and anyone else reading), I think both of you make good points in parts and I don't feel like parsing quotes. Let's do our best not to get bogged down in this discussion, while also remembering the good points each of you make, notably: civility, no PES v FIFA superiority contests, the "human element" and keeping perspective on gameplay videos.

                                I don't particularly enjoy an environment where any kind of comparison is taboo, but it got to that point in the past because the community couldn't draw the line between comparing specific elements/features for constructive purpose and bickering.

                                However, one place I don't think we should see comparisons are in the impressions threads. Those are for people to give their thoughts on the demo/game they are playing... not to say "[game] does it better" or "so what if _____ sucks in [game], [game] can't do _____ right!"

                                Just a reminder, as I know we hit some bumps with this issue last year.
                                Last edited by Qb; 09-10-2012, 01:45 PM.

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