how is Emmitt behind Payton in "Legacy Score"

[eival]

clearly superbowls and division titles have a baring cause its listed, yet some how Walter Payton has 700xp more than Emmitt, who not only had the same number of Yearly Awards but won 3 superbowls and 6 division championships, oh and has the most TDs and Yards all time 2nd to only Jerry Rice

how does 1 superbowl, 1 championship and 12 awards = 14k

yet 3 superbowls, 6 championships and 12 awards = 13k

[wheelman990]

Re: how is Emmitt behind Payton in "Legacy Score"

clearly superbowls and division titles have a baring cause its listed, yet some how Walter Payton has 700xp more than Emmitt, who not only had the same number of Yearly Awards but won 3 superbowls and 6 division championships, oh and has the most TDs and Yards all time 2nd to only Jerry Rice

how does 1 superbowl, 1 championship and 12 awards = 14k

yet 3 superbowls, 6 championships and 12 awards = 13k

I think the simple & quick answer is because Payton was better.

I'm a little confused though. what does superbowl's have to do with a individual being better? Because Smith played with hall of fame types and pro bowlers he was better? All those TD's he had were because they Cowboys got into scoring position so many times. Take Barry Sanders, how is he gonna get 187 TD's with Erik Kramer, Andre Ware, Rodney Pete, Charlie Batch, and Scott Mitchell as his qb? He isn't gonna get a single TD unless he pops one for 50 yards. Barrys qb's would be lucky to get him inside of the 20 yard line 1 out of 10 drives.

Regardless, Smith was a great runner. I could see him, Payton, and Brown put in different order from 2-4 based on personal opinions.

[eival]

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I think the simple & quick answer is because Payton was better.

I'm a little confused though. what does superbowl's have to do with a individual being better? Because Smith played with hall of fame types and pro bowlers he was better? All those TD's he had were because they Cowboys got into scoring position so many times. Take Barry Sanders, how is he gonna get 187 TD's with Erik Kramer, Andre Ware, Rodney Pete, Charlie Batch, and Scott Mitchell as his qb? He isn't gonna get a single TD unless he pops one for 50 yards. Barrys qb's would be lucky to get him inside of the 20 yard line 1 out of 10 drives.

the QB didnt have anything to do with the fact they had to sub him on short yardage situations cause he couldnt run up the middle to safe his life. THATS why all his TDs were from long runs

[wheelman990]

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the QB didnt have anything to do with the fact they had to sub him on short yardage situations cause he couldnt run up the middle to safe his life. THATS why all his TDs were from long runs

lol, you mean Touchdown Tommy Vardell? He couldn't get it done either. Nobody could have on that Lions team, and nobody did. Poor Barry had to run like a chicken to get yardage at all. I'm sure the dude would have loved to have had bus sized holes like Emmitt had, but it just wasn't gonna happen on that team man.

If you watched Barrys entire carear, you would know the decision of putting in Vardell was dumb, and people, announcers, media used to get so upset. The coach for those years tried to blame Barry because they couldn't create a hole at the goal line. Sad news is, it had nothing to do with Barry. When running at the goal line you either need a hole or a 250 LB bruiser. Emmitt had a hole with the greatest line in NFL history on any greatest line countdown.

I would call 99 TD's in 10 years on those Lions teams getting it done well personally.

BTW-Barry has 19 awards, that is tied for the best in the game man. This is in 10 years vs Rices 18 or so, vs Emmitt's 14-15, etc?You should argue why he isn't number one or two all time over everyone(besides Rice) since he has the best stats and tied best awards then anyone in Modern day NFL football history, and did it in only 10 years. Think it was a fluke Sanders broke so many runs? Llook what he did in college. Nobody has had a better career in college as Sanders either on any all time list you can watch.

Look at Walter Payton and Barry Sanders receiving yards. Both averaged better then Smith per game. People like to think Smith was a great receiver, and he was, but check out the other two. Barry averaged better through his career receiving then smith(I believe TD receiving also). Imagine what Barry would have done with Aikman instead of those Clowns he had throwing to him. Paytons receiving was incredible

[maademperor]

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lol, you mean Touchdown Tommy Vardell? He couldn't get it done either. Nobody could have on that Lions team, and nobody did. Poor Barry had to run like a chicken to get yardage at all. I'm sure the dude would have loved to have had bus sized holes like Emmitt had, but it just wasn't gonna happen on that team man.

If you watched Barrys entire carear, you would know the decision of putting in Vardell was dumb, and people, announcers, media used to get so upset. The coach for those years tried to blame Barry because they couldn't create a hole at the goal line. Sad news is, it had nothing to do with Barry. When running at the goal line you either need a hole or a 250 LB bruiser. Emmitt had a hole with the greatest line in NFL history on any greatest line countdown.

I would call 99 TD's in 10 years on those Lions teams getting it done well personally.

BTW-Barry has 19 awards, that is tied for the best in the game man. This is in 10 years vs Rices 18 or so, vs Emmitt's 14-15, etc?You should argue why he isn't number one or two all time over everyone(besides Rice) since he has the best stats and tied best awards then anyone in Modern day NFL football history, and did it in only 10 years. Think it was a fluke Sanders broke so many runs? Llook what he did in college. Nobody has had a better career in college as Sanders either on any all time list you can watch.

Look at Walter Payton and Barry Sanders receiving yards. Both averaged better then Smith per game. People like to think Smith was a great receiver, and he was, but check out the other two. Barry averaged better through his career receiving then smith(I believe TD receiving also). Imagine what Barry would have done with Aikman instead of those Clowns he had throwing to him. Paytons receiving was incredible

well said

I've been a lifelong Detroit fan because of his running (when I was a kid I assumed they were a great team because of him alone, didnt know they sucked otherwise until I was older). Barry also has the record for most carries for negative yards due to his blockers that would literally stop and watch him run around instead of actually, you know, blocking for him

[marginwalker12]

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Emmitt Smith never had a negative rushing day in the playoffs. Emmitt carried his team to 3 Super Bowls. Always showed up big when needed. Peyton I can argue had to deal with San Francisco in their Montana prime. He might have won another if not for them. But Barry Sanders? Barry couldn't run between the tackles. If he could maybe the Lions would win more games then. Emmitt played with a dislocated shoulder! Barry retired because of the strain on his 30 year old body. He didn't love the game. Emmitt loved the game. And it showed. He played for the Cardinals well after he broke Walter's record. The Cardinals. What was he hoping of accomplishing? Nothing. He loved the game.

[eival]

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walls of text, none of which actually on the topic of how EA's legacy score actually adds up based on the criteria in the game, which says Superbowls, Championships and Yearly Awards. of which Emmitt has more than Payton.

[bigbob]

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Emmitt Smith never had a negative rushing day in the playoffs. Emmitt carried his team to 3 Super Bowls. Always showed up big when needed. Peyton I can argue had to deal with San Francisco in their Montana prime. He might have won another if not for them. But Barry Sanders? Barry couldn't run between the tackles. If he could maybe the Lions would win more games then. Emmitt played with a dislocated shoulder! Barry retired because of the strain on his 30 year old body. He didn't love the game. Emmitt loved the game. And it showed. He played for the Cardinals well after he broke Walter's record. The Cardinals. What was he hoping of accomplishing? Nothing. He loved the game.

Emmitt ran between the tackles because he had the offensive line to do it. Emmitt carried his team to three Super Bowls? Wrong. No one carried anybody on those teams. It was a complete team effort.

You're right, Barry didn't love the game.. and you wouldn't love the game either if you were running for your life every time the ball was handed off to you.

[eival]

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Emmitt ran between the tackles because he had the offensive line to do it. Emmitt carried his team to three Super Bowls? Wrong. No one carried anybody on those teams. It was a complete team effort.

the 1993 season says differently

actually every season says differently, for the simple fact Aikman and Irvin's career numbers are far from great and nobody ever brings him up when they make lists.

[Jimi XIII]

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Emmit benefited from an all-star offensive line. Watch Emmit Smith highlights and then watch Walter Payton highlights. Payton did a bit more work to get his yards typically.

[PioneerRaptor]

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Regardless of everyone's opinion, I think the OP brings up a good point. I would love to know the formula for how the legacy score is decided. It clearly shows Super Bowl Wins, Championships and Player Awards when you look at the score, meaning that they do probably factor into the score.

Also, stats most likely factor into the score, given all that Emmitt Smith would be on top. Therefore, there is another factor that is unknown that goes into the score. I honestly can't see EA being smart enough to put in a formula that takes in the talent around the player, but who knows.

The worse case scenario is that they didn't use a formula to determine these HoF players and simply gave them scores.

[eival]

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Emmit benefited from an all-star offensive line. Watch Emmit Smith highlights and then watch Walter Payton highlights. Payton did a bit more work to get his yards typically.

where does it say that on the EA Sports Legacy menu?

[PGaither84]

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Smith was good, but if you swap them out, then we wouldn't even be talking about Emmit.

[eival]

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The worse case scenario is that they didn't use a formula to determine these HoF players and simply gave them scores.

most likely the real outcome, since if they're going by just player achievment, last i checked Jim Brown is untouchable, still alive but probably wouldnt agree to waste his time appearing on ESPN First Take to plug the game, so they dont even list him in the game, or make him a playable character and Barry who did is at the top.

along with crack head and underage prostitute rapist Lawrence Taylor who pulled a Curtis Martin and spent the entire segment saying how he doesnt even follow the sport anymore while slurring all his words which is the result of years of coke use

EA always pics the best role models.

P.S. lets not even get into the fact Dan Marino isnt on the list of QBs either since apparently not winning anything but being considered the hands down greatest to play your position and the fact you didnt have a great team around you, is how Barry is atop the RB list himself...yet Warren Moon(who also appeared on First Take) is on the list with 12 awards yet Brees with only 7 is ahead of him and Eli Manning who only has 2 awards is just below him but ahead of Rothlesburger who has the same number of rings, 1 more SB appearance and 1 more award

they also managed to equate that Aaron Rogers with his 1 SB appearance and win vs the Cardinals and a loss in the first round every other year, is already equal to Donovan McNabb's entire career which includes 5 straight NFC championship appearances and is barely ahead of him on the Legacy Chart

[Jimi XIII]

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where does it say that on the EA Sports Legacy menu?

You listed each ones (Legacy) accomplishments, I would assume they than took other things into account.
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