OS Fact or Fiction: Is Madden for Real This Time?

[SamoanSteelerFromAus]

Re: OS Fact or Fiction: Is Madden for Real This Time?

I dont know about a lot of people, but I simply don't give a sh*t about a virtual twitter feed.
For one, I dont' even use twitter and two; I don't really get much satisfaction seeing my name in a scripted side bar of quotes that will repeat themselves sooner than later.
#Gimmick

[maddcatt]

FACT

I only play online and I'm having a blast playing this game against friends

It's a new engine and it's hardly perfected yet, but I only see great things in the future with madden
....once this new engine is perfected

I'm 46 yrs old and this is the most fun I have ever had playing a football game and that's all that should really matter when playing a sports video game.

I don't ever expect perfection when trying to emulate a real NFL game ...i'm just happy being able to play any kind of football at my age, even if it is just a video game ...LOL

Keep it going EA ..you are sure headed in the right direction

[frankwyte81]

Fiction. Madden can never be real unless it fixes at least 75% of it's legacy issues. They also need to revamp the blocking system and a.i. Their working with old tech with horrible programming. This is the distinguishing difference between EA Tiburon games and 2K sports, PROGRAMMING. I really believe EA programmers are out of touch with the games they make, old guys sitting at their desk drinking tea and eating briskets.

The Infinity engine is a step in the right direction but it's not the answer at the moment. A lot of people are riding the high of the engine and ignoring the same problems that plagued this franchise for years. I can't ignore them, they hamper gameplay. The same people saying this game is where it needs to be, their either EA Sports fanboys or they don't know football or you can talk to them in a month when NBA 2k13 comes out and see if Madden stands up to that. I was a fan of Madden in the Playstation 1 and 2 days, but this generation, the Madden team can't figure it out. When the infinity engine allows for realistic wrap-up tackles and real-life collisions, not tackles that look like the players were shot by a shotgun at close range like what you see in Madden 13. Also when the blocking, a.i. logic, cornerbacks that jump like Olympic high jumpers are gone, football with no physics are gone, footballs going through wrist or fingers are gone, when weight and momentum really matters, player specific animations and other legacy issues are improved, then Madden will be improved to my satisfaction.

[SamoanSteelerFromAus]

Re: OS Fact or Fiction: Is Madden for Real This Time?

Fiction. Madden can never be real unless it fixes at least 75% of it's legacy issues. They also need to revamp the blocking system and a.i. Their working with old tech with horrible programming. This is the distinguishing difference between EA Tiburon games and 2K sports, PROGRAMMING. I really believe EA programmers are out of touch with the games they make, old guys sitting at their desk drinking tea and eating briskets.

The Infinity engine is a step in the right direction but it's not the answer at the moment. A lot of people are riding the high of the engine and ignoring the same problems that plagued this franchise for years. I can't ignore them, they hamper gameplay. The same people saying this game is where it needs to be, their either EA Sports fanboys or they don't know football or you can talk to them in a month when NBA 2k13 comes out and see if Madden stands up to that. I was a fan of Madden in the Playstation 1 and 2 days, but this generation, the Madden team can't figure it out. When the infinity engine allows for realistic wrap-up tackles and real-life collisions, not tackles that look like the players were shot by a shotgun at close range like what you see in Madden 13. Also when the blocking, a.i. logic, cornerbacks that jump like Olympic high jumpers are gone, football with no physics are gone, footballs going through wrist or fingers are gone, when weight and momentum really matters, player specific animations and other legacy issues are improved, then Madden will be improved to my satisfaction.

...PREACH...

[bukktown]

Re: OS Fact or Fiction: Is Madden for Real This Time?

Fact.

For the first time this generation Madden can leave the kiddie table and sit with the grown ups.

Between the demo, early release and retail, I feel like I've been playing it for a month and I still can't get my fill.

[ghettogeeksta]

Re: OS Fact or Fiction: Is Madden for Real This Time?

They need to simply incorporate a arcade or sim slider lol like need for speed used to have and other racing games have. So those who love zig zagging and poor juke animations and bricks for OLinemen can have em and rack up their 75-55 games all day long. Meanwhile the sim gamers can have their authentic football simulation 13-7 games. Not to say even playing sim you can't have a 45-39 game here and there but not every game.

This is what im talking about, they need a Sim and Arcade mode. Seems like NHL has this, if you play the NHL 13 demo, you can pick between sim or arcade.
Its sad when other sports games within your company is better than yours. The only reason Madden sales so much is because its a NFL football game, the most popular sport in America the they have the exclusive license to make video games for it.

[swac07]

Re: OS Fact or Fiction: Is Madden for Real This Time?

(Fiction)I agree with Jayson Young

[TreyIM2]

Sooooo, NBA2K works only with blu ray now. Its seems 2k can deliever a top notch product year after year. They not limited with disk size... Your point makes no sense.

To u it doesn't because I neglected to get into the gaming engine's limitations. 2Ks games have differently built and structured engines, if u don't understand that. I think too many ppl comparing EA's to 2K's game don't think about that. 2K's games would also be even better with Blu-ray, too.

Also remember that the Visual Concept folks, who used to work on EA Sports games, developed the 2KSports gaming engines so they basically took what they learned from working with more rigid EA Sports gaming engines and improved upon them

[adfletch71]

Re: OS Fact or Fiction: Is Madden for Real This Time?

What's really funny is, EA bragging about there 8% rise in sales from launch. Madden12 had a 11% rise in sales in there launch as well and then after Christmas the sales crashed and wasn't more than Madden11 globally. Don't these guys get it, we know what's the deal about these games. What do EA think is going too happen when NBA2k13 comes out and if it's better than NBA2K12. People will not think about Madden as much and continue on, then u have Halo4 coming out. It's about the quality of the game!!!! Not because u have the only NFL title anymore. Even though NBA2k isn't a football game, it is competition too Madden because it's about a month after. How come the challenge system sucks so much? Why are the replays so retarted and off, compared too Madden12? When will u finally fix the penalties like pass interference and add all the NFL penalties in your game EA? How about the atrocious what u think is a halftime show and in-game stats. Look at MLB2k and MLB the SHOW and u know what I'm talking about about in-game stats. These are things that kill the experience and gamers deserve better. U Gamechangers that are on this site, really need too push this too the developers, or there not going too excel in there product from year to year.

[je_2512]

Re: OS Fact or Fiction: Is Madden for Real This Time?

I say FACT - I think this new dev leader is making good on trying to make this game better and more realistic. Remember, the team, what, doubled in size for Madden 12 while there was still hangover from what the Ian team had done setting up 12 and this team has now had 13 to build on all by themselves and they've done a good job.

Now, the one thing that bothers me, and makes me mad, is what they will possibly need to alter, drastically or otherwise, for 14. EA usually has to taper, cut and move things around to be able to implement new additions and changes on with these current systems.

The, uhh, maddening part is how much better this game could have possibly been LOOONG AGO, even with a smaller Madden dev team, if MS just went with effin Blu-ray. Bigger disc space increases the data capacity of what devs can do on one disc. DVDs hold this game back and causes all that tapering, cutting and moving around. Anybody want to take this personally and argue this, again, go educate urself. Not trying to start some debate. It's FACT and there ARE games on PS3 that only needed one Blu-ray disc when that very same game had to be released on multiple DVDs for the 360. MS messed that up for all of us.
If EA still had wanted to double up on the team with having Blu-ray copacity for both systems, sheesh, Madden would probably be approaching if not already at legendary status with 13.

Bull!!!
Ea has stated on multiple occasions that disk space is NOT an issue, at least not yet!! Don't believe me? Look at Last years dev groups posts!
Your putting the blame in the wrong place...I now believe it's an issue of either talent, or desire, as to why this game fell short once again.

[josephid]

Fact and fiction, fact part, it plays like a sim, fiction, I like the fact that I throw a lot of interceptions. I would rather have to worry about where to throw and fear a pick, then mindlessly chuck the ball up.

A great game is both sim and arcade.

[tril]

Its neither fact nor fiction.
I agree that Madden 13 on the field is the best effort for EA in a while. Ive skipped alot of years so I cant compare Maddens yearly releases. I can only compare gameplay with the verisons that Ive owned from the past.

I agree with what Jayson said about the weightless, exaggerated player movement, outlandish Monday Night Raw collisions and inhuman limb contortions created by the new Infinity Engine. It would have been niice to see injuries tied into these inhuman limb contortions.

Its unfortunate that EA didnt test this game more before release. It seems as though, EA needs a solid expereinced qc team. The bugs, and game play features that get by are really head scratchers.

a quick example, which happens to bother me alot is: How does one give camera options to quick game modes, and not offer it in on line or off line ccm mode. They say its becuase of server issues in head to head competition, thast fine, but wouldnt smomeone in the decision making process still include it in the off line ccm mode. There are still more off line gamers than on line.

excluding a basic season or mutli-season mode, while revamping fracnchise mode was also a huge misstep.

Presentation is solid this year but still incomplete.

Knowing EA theyll somehow take a step back next year by ommitting something that has potential t in this years version.

[Theylie]

Re: OS Fact or Fiction: Is Madden for Real This Time?

FICTION... Once again, I will point something that is somewhat overlooked. Remember the Madden 13 playbook, episode 4. This is the one that Victor Lugo talked about the Infinity Engine. He said in Madden 13, because of the Infinity Engine, that we would not see players hands, arms, legs, etc going thru others players, balls, etc. Check out the video, fast foward to 2:10. This is when Lugo starts talking about the changes in Madden 13.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO-NDi3A0o8

Now, take a look at this video,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I56cYMemQVA&feature=plcp

it cleary shows a defenders hands go thru the ball and the reciever catching it for a TD. This happens on the regular folks.
This cannot happen in a football game.

[jwtucker710]

Partially "real" & "fiction." Without repeating on what most posters have already said, this year's Madden is the best since, in my view, 2005. The new collision/tackling system (or Infinity engine) seems to work most of the time, but is littered with glitches, some of which are annoying, and I sure hope EA can work in a patch to correct these. I understand it is not an easy task of programming to instill motion to that of life-like proportions. However, watching a player get hit and then somehow have a certain kind of programming seizure is unacceptable.
Have not delved into the new "career" mode yet, as it has replaced the Franchise mode. Another issue that I have is the chance to import your NCAA 13 players. This is the first time they have prevented this. Why? I don't know if a patch would be able to implement this, but it would be a great addition.
Other than that, I like this year's game. Plays very realistic but other times it proves it's just another video game.

[bucky60]

Re: OS Fact or Fiction: Is Madden for Real This Time?

Just wanted to point out something I noticed here. The last site poll asked how we felt about Madden 13. And the vast majority voted great, or good. Yet in this article the vast majority pretty much hate it.

Not trying to be a "smart guy." I just find it interesting.

I think when the poll was taken down, the average+bad was at 40%. That doesn't seem like encouraging numbers to me.