Well be shocked then lol As i posted earlier i'm using Gameflow and not even controlling anyone after the snap...doesn't get more "sim" than that. I've tried these as well as others but with All-Pro it was getting to the point where both the pass and run were suffering because they called soooooooo many running plays and were easy to stop. That's why i tried All-Madden and Brees torched me and they didn't run the ball 40 times.