Cheese or Bad Football

[Haze88]

One term I hate more than anything on this forum is cheese, or any variation of it. Cheese, to me, is only something that is a glitch. Anything else can be stopped if you take the time to do so. So many times I'll read something like "He did X all game and I couldn't stop it, CHEESE!!!!11!!11!" when all it would have taken was a simple adjustment. Getting beat deep, user the free safety. Burnt by runs, shift the defense, blitz that direction, control a linebacker. Certain route killing you, user a corner or safety or call a different defense. The point is nothing, in my opinion, is cheese unless it is a blatant glitch. Anyway feel free to discuss, disagree, or flame me and make outrageous claims or judgements about me, just share your opinion.

[TDenverFan]

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So gameplay taking advantage of flaws in the game is not cheese?

Nano Blitzing, 5 Wide/Goal Line Audibles, 4 Verts All Game, etc. Are caused by poor user play and not flaws in the game?

[Haze88]

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So gameplay taking advantage of flaws in the game is not cheese?

Nano Blitzing, 5 Wide/Goal Line Audibles, 4 Verts All Game, etc. Are caused by poor user play and not flaws in the game?

Nano Blitzing: Glitch only due to poor programming of blockers out of our control. Shotgun+max protect should help alleviate this.

5 Wide to goalline and vice versa I'm assuming: If you have the right personnel at the beginning of the play, should not be difficult. Receivers can not block well so all runs should be stuffed and most PA plays have a tight end block. If this is now a receiver vs a d-lineman plus no double team pass blocking equals easy pressure. Goalline to 5 Wide means no speed is out there and more than likely 2 max players that can catch. Zone blitzes are your friends.

4 Verts: User the free safety over the slot streaks, bump and run, and blitz. Those deep patterns take time to develop.

I did not say exploits do not exist. I said the term is often overused, and almost anything that isn't a direct exploit can be countered with good usering, tactics and strategy.

[Haze88]

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Anyone else have any opinions?

[Colt45]

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No. Everyone's opinion has already been shared in the 8000 topics that came before yours.

[TimothWinter]

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Those deep patterns take time to develop.

[KingNick865]

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I'll just say this. I've beaten people who like to do stuff like running the 1-5-5 prowler set the whole game. It's not that it can't be stopped; it's that it isn't fun to play against someone who does that the whole game.

[leathrneck34]

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Cheesing is taking advantage of the limitations of the games engine. Whether that be a obvious glitch or using 4 verts at every snap or Nano blitzing or simply running your QB around in the backfield until a receiver is open.... so on and so forth.

[Wilson16NCSU]

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Cheesing is taking advantage of the limitations of the games engine. Whether that be a obvious glitch or using 4 verts at every snap or Nano blitzing or simply running your QB around in the backfield until a receiver is open.... so on and so forth.

that isn't cheese, it is easily fixed.


Where I disagree with stopping deep balls by user safety is that in this game the int button (Y) and the swat button (rb) are nowhere near as responsive as they should be. So you can press the button and they will not react to it at all, ive seen db's be looking straight at the ball in a better position than the WR and then make no play on it and let the WR catch it for a td. Can't tell you how many TD's have been given up due to the Y and RB buttons not being as responsive as they should be.

[Haze88]

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For those who feel like I'm claiming cheese isn't real your princess is in another castle. This is more so the WR/RB at QB, running a certain play or defense all game, no-huddle offense. All things that aren't blatant glitches, like the option freezing a defender the whole play, can be destroyed with solid football knowledge. Plus I'm sick of the online crowd ruining my offline experience by calling cheese on something they don't adjust to stop.

[Bmore Irish]

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to me, anytime someone repeatedly does something that is in no way realistic to a real game of football, thats at least cheap, if not "cheese". ive played someone who on offense would literally flip their play at the line 3 or 4 times at least a 1/4 of their plays. doesnt sound that bad, just cheap and ridiculous. same with guys who take the QB and scramble outta the pocket EVERY passing play without fail even when they dont need to. its stupid, there are scrambling QBs in real life, but they dont immediately take off every single play. at least ppl like that you can usually shut down, just annoying.

[LunchBox Legend]

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Nano Blitzing: Glitch only due to poor programming of blockers out of our control. Shotgun+max protect should help alleviate this.

5 Wide to goalline and vice versa I'm assuming: If you have the right personnel at the beginning of the play, should not be difficult. Receivers can not block well so all runs should be stuffed and most PA plays have a tight end block. If this is now a receiver vs a d-lineman plus no double team pass blocking equals easy pressure. Goalline to 5 Wide means no speed is out there and more than likely 2 max players that can catch. Zone blitzes are your friends.

4 Verts: User the free safety over the slot streaks, bump and run, and blitz. Those deep patterns take time to develop.

I did not say exploits do not exist. I said the term is often overused, and almost anything that isn't a direct exploit can be countered with good usering, tactics and strategy.

What if I'm an option team or a power run team? Now I have to run a completely different offense because some jackhole online wants to exploit o-line blocking schemes?! With someone running 4 verts everyplay you have to be perfect 4 times in a row. They just have to be right once. That's cheese. Cheese doesn't mean an unbeatable play, it's reference to gameplay that doesn't reflect realism in the slightest. If you just play to win by using any drawback in the games design or running the same "money" plays all the time, YOU'RE A CHEESER!

Just because something CAN be countered doesn't make it not cheese.

[Haze88]

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What if I'm an option team or a power run team? Now I have to run a completely different offense because some jackhole online wants to exploit o-line blocking schemes?! With someone running 4 verts everyplay you have to be perfect 4 times in a row. They just have to be right once. That's cheese. Cheese doesn't mean an unbeatable play, it's reference to gameplay that doesn't reflect realism in the slightest. If you just play to win by using any drawback in the games design or running the same "money" plays all the time, YOU'RE A CHEESER!

Just because something CAN be countered doesn't make it not cheese.

First off, coaches adjust all the time. The is a reason teams don't run aganist San Francisco, the Wildcat has fallen out, and teams are switching to the spread. If you run a power run scheme and it isn't working then yes switch it up. Or use the shotgun suggestion as a set of constraint plays so you can go back to power running. Second, any play can be run 4 times and you need 1 to score. I could run 4 verts or an i-form iso 4 times and need to be perfect once to score so I don't know about that complaint.

[joker1170]

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It all comes down to COMMON SENSE! Everyone who loves football knows what is REAL football and those who love to play the VIDEO GAME of football don't care about what is real just if they win and pad their record. Simple as that and there is no way to separate the 2 apart , online anyway.

[Wilson16NCSU]

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First off, coaches adjust all the time. The is a reason teams don't run aganist San Francisco, the Wildcat has fallen out, and teams are switching to the spread. If you run a power run scheme and it isn't working then yes switch it up. Or use the shotgun suggestion as a set of constraint plays so you can go back to power running. Second, any play can be run 4 times and you need 1 to score. I could run 4 verts or an i-form iso 4 times and need to be perfect once to score so I don't know about that complaint.

4 verts is considered a money play (which it is) and iso isn't. Comparing those two plays is ridiculous. There is a clear advantage with 4 Verts, as the guy said before, it can be stopped, but only so many times due to hot routes etc. There is a reason guys who run nothing but that play keep running it after you've stopped it a few times in a row, because they know you can only stop it so much.


This is random and a seperate rant I'm about to type though it has no relevance to deciding what is and isn't cheese. But I still don't know why four verts is in the playbook so much. I could be wrong, but I've personally never seen any team run that exact play outside of a desperation situation (mainly hail mary type situations). Never once. I'm not saying it is cheese for that reason, but as someone who likes to play sim it gets annoying playing someone who just uses it all the time. And before I get the "atleast you know whats coming" answer, 1. hot routes make sure you don't know exactly whats coming. and 2. thats not the point. Just saying as a sim player I prefer someone who plays a more realistic side of football where you're mixing up the plays on both sides of the ball, mixing up the formations, etc.