NBA 2K12 Video - Michael Jordan vs. Kobe Bryant (Shady00018)

[sammie]

Kobe more clutch than Jordan all day everyday.
Kobes Bball IQ is better than MJ'S.
IMO Kobe will go down as the GOAT

More clutch than MJ??

Has anyone ever taken into account Kobe's performances is elimination games?? He has flamed out of the playoffs in ways that I've never seen another all-time great has. Example...


1997 WCSF game 5 loss to the Jazz – Infamous 4 airballs in the final minutes and OT game. He's was a rookie, he deserves a break. But, as a rookie Kobe was airballing, MJ was dropping 63 one one of the team's of the decade. Just saying.

2004 NBA Finals game 5 loss to Detroit – Eventually lost by 13 thanks to garbage minutes. Lakers were down 27pts in the 4th

2006 WCQF game 7 loss to Suns – Lakers blew 3-1 series lead. Lakers lose by 31pts. Kobe only shoots 3 times in the 2nd half. He quits on his team.

2007 WCQF game 5 loss to Suns – Down by as much as 16 in the 4th Lakers lose by 11

2008 NBA Finals game 6 loss to Boston – Lakers lose by 39pts. (side note: Lakers blew a 25pt lead in game 4 which could have tied the series 2-2)

2011 WCSF game 4 swept by Dallas – Lakers lose by 36pts.

2012 WCSF game 5 loss to OKC – Lakers lose by 16pts

With a resume like that you can’t say Kobe is more clutch than MJ when he has repeatedly let his team get embarrassed when they need him the most; in a blowout losses with the season on the line.

[Thunder Storm]

Re: NBA 2K12 Video - Michael Jordan vs. Kobe Bryant (Shady00018)

^^^ That is why it's tough being a Kobe fan, too many have no idea wtf they are talking about and make the rest of us look bad.

[JBreezeNY]

Re: NBA 2K12 Video - Michael Jordan vs. Kobe Bryant (Shady00018)

Put the haterade down bro. Did u seriously try to say that Pau Gasol played better then Kobe in that series? There's not a chance in hell u watched a game to say that...

Id waste some more energy in totally destroying your basketball intellect but it'd clearly be a waste of my time. Its funny how out of all the top 10 players in basketball history, Kobe's the only one who gets the "played with so much talent" argument thrown against him. Meanwhile Bird's Celtics were stacked, Magic's Lakers had a couple of hall of famers on it as well. MJ played with a couple too...

That's not hate it's facts & this is coming from someone who rarely uses stats. Gasol DID play better than Kobe in the series (minus Game 7 yuck & even Game 1 where they both played meh), Kobe took some horrible shots & also missed a lot of ones that he usually makes, while Gasol was much more efficient offensively & defensively. Remember this is the same Gasol that had gotten bitched down in the 08 Finals but came back & shocked a lot of people.

So yes I did watch the series for your information.

And LOL @ destroying basketball intellect. You have a better shot at watching the Mets win anything in the near future than destroying anybody's intellect. Let's be clear I don't hate Kobe, I just hate this myth that he's second greatest to Jordan. Kobe has the killer instinct that I love, he has a very good skill-set, he's also a fiery leader but he's overrated.

A good player but he's a chuck in every sense of the word. I do give him props for finally trying to trust his teammates last season even though they played soft as baby poop.

If people could come to grips that he shouldn't be compared to MJ in any way then everything would be lovely.

[MeTsFaN719]

Re: NBA 2K12 Video - Michael Jordan vs. Kobe Bryant (Shady00018)

That's not hate it's facts & this is coming from someone who rarely uses stats. Gasol DID play better than Kobe in the series (minus Game 7 yuck & even Game 1 where they both played meh), Kobe took some horrible shots & also missed a lot of ones that he usually makes, while Gasol was much more efficient offensively & defensively. Remember this is the same Gasol that had gotten bitched down in the 08 Finals but came back & shocked a lot of people.

So yes I did watch the series for your information.

And LOL @ destroying basketball intellect. You have a better shot at watching the Mets win anything in the near future than destroying anybody's intellect. Let's be clear I don't hate Kobe, I just hate this myth that he's second greatest to Jordan. Kobe has the killer instinct that I love, he has a very good skill-set, he's also a fiery leader but he's overrated.

A good player but he's a chuck in every sense of the word. I do give him props for finally trying to trust his teammates last season even though they played soft as baby poop.

If people could come to grips that he shouldn't be compared to MJ in any way then everything would be lovely.

You mean the same Pau Gasol that was 0-12 in the playoffs before joining LA? You must have missed game 5 when every single Laker sans Kobe disappeared in a run in which he scored 17 points in 6 minutes. He also scored 10 points in the 4th quarter of that game 7 to go along with 18 rebounds in the game. Ron Artest was the best player in game 7 followed by Kobe. But yeah, Pau was the best player...sure...

You cannot be a chucker and win five championships. Let alone 3 straight and another back to back. Allen Iverson was a chucker. Kobe Bryant is not. Then again, by your logic, Jordan was a chucker too. Highest FGA per game was 27.8 opposed to Kobe's 27.2. Jordan also averaged 25 per game a couple of times, something Kobe has NEVER done in his career. What a chucker Michael was! See I can do it too!

And man, that little insult you threw at me utilizing my username was pretty clever.

Just admit it, you don't like the guy, its okay. You're not alone. And for the record, Jordan himself said Kobe is comparable to him and in fact the only one who is. But hey, what does he know, he just has to come to grips like the rest of us...

[daveberg]

Re: NBA 2K12 Video - Michael Jordan vs. Kobe Bryant (Shady00018)

Lol, Kobe fans. SMH.

The guy is an amazing talent, sure thing. Best player in the league still in my eyes. (I'm not even going to mention that 'other' guy) But comparing him to Jordan is just ridiculous. Aside from any visual similarity in regards to their game play, that's where it ends.

Again, fantastic video by shady, I do quite a bit of vid editing myself, Shady is definitely a huge inspiration.

[ghettogeeksta]

Good video, but I wish there was more layups and dunks.

[lostsoul]

Re: NBA 2K12 Video - Michael Jordan vs. Kobe Bryant (Shady00018)

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Jordan career in the NBA finals is 33 ppg on 48 percent shooting
Kobe career in the NBA finals is 25 ppg on 41 percent shooting
Jordan in the playoffs in the clutch is 9/18
Kobe in the playoffs in the clutch is 7/25


video is a nice video game replica of the original - nice job.

[flamangatang2k5]

Re: NBA 2K12 Video - Michael Jordan vs. Kobe Bryant (Shady00018)

Awesome video by Shady. But listening to Mark Jackson nearly ruins it for me.

At the time of that statement, Mark Jackson had no reason to think Kobe would be greater than Jordan, but he still said it.

This argument is pointless, it's clear that Jordan is far and above Kobe. Anyone could make this same exact video comparing Jordan to Vince Carter, Stackhouse, T-Mac, JR Rider, Harold Miner, and even Lebron James. So I don't understand why Kobe's fans get so excited and say/write crazy stuff. Sure he mimicked MJs moves, but that doesn't means he's as good as him or even close. So did all the other NBA players who were athletic and close to that size.

[MeTsFaN719]

Re: NBA 2K12 Video - Michael Jordan vs. Kobe Bryant (Shady00018)

Awesome video by Shady. But listening to Mark Jackson nearly ruins it for me.

At the time of that statement, Mark Jackson had no reason to think Kobe would be greater than Jordan, but he still said it.

This argument is pointless, it's clear that Jordan is far and above Kobe. Anyone could make this same exact video comparing Jordan to Vince Carter, Stackhouse, T-Mac, JR Rider, Harold Miner, and even Lebron James. So I don't understand why Kobe's fans get so excited and say/write crazy stuff. Sure he mimicked MJs moves, but that doesn't means he's as good as him or even close. So did all the other NBA players who were athletic and close to that size.

LOLWUT? Of course a video could be made comparing MJ to Tracy McGrady. How does that make the Kobe comparison invalid? Truisms FTL. One guy has five championships, the other zero.

Seems like most people here have bought into the God status that the media has given to
Jordan. I'm not even arguing that he's better, I'm simply stating that there is absolutely a comparison to be made. And get this, his career isn't over yet.

[lostsoul]

Re: NBA 2K12 Video - Michael Jordan vs. Kobe Bryant (Shady00018)

LOLWUT? Of course a video could be made comparing MJ to Tracy McGrady. How does that make the Kobe comparison invalid? Truisms FTL. One guy has five championships, the other zero.

Seems like most people here have bought into the God status that the media has given to
Jordan. I'm not even arguing that he's better, I'm simply stating that there is absolutely a comparison to be made. And get this, his career isn't over yet.

well of course there is a comparison to be made.

http://blitzsportsnetwork.com/2012/05/kobe-bryant-vs-michael-jordan-comparison-2012/

it's not even close...

[Jonnie]

http://blitzsportsnetwork.com/2012/05/kobe-bryant-vs-michael-jordan-comparison-2012/ case closed. theres no comparison here jordan is THAT much better. and his production in the playoffs is unmatched. only a few players in history have ever come close the dominating the playoffs like mj, with shaq being the most recent. shout out bruce blitz for continuing to provide much needed statistical breakdowns like this.

[ggsimmonds]

hey you guys arguing over MJ/Kobe. I get that you are trying to show off your amazing basketball knowledge but maybe you should should off your amazing reading comprehension and stop debating like the mod asked.

The thread is about the video, which was awesome btw. Can't wait to see what you can do with nba 2k13

[fluent2332]

Re: NBA 2K12 Video - Michael Jordan vs. Kobe Bryant (Shady00018)

The video is cool, but my god, the gameplay looked bad. It was just ISOs on one side of the court with nothing else happening at all. Half the time when the shot was taken there weren't even any big men in or near the paint. I understand Kobe and Jordan ISO'd, but 8 other guys on the court didn't just stand and watch. It just looked bad.

2K is truly a game of ISO basketball. That's really the thing that 2K is best at. It's all about the ISO.

[MeTsFaN719]

Re: NBA 2K12 Video - Michael Jordan vs. Kobe Bryant (Shady00018)

LOL are you guys seriously using a bruce blitz comparison as your proof that Jordan was better? That guy has actually argued that Jordan had a higher scoring game than Kobe's 81 by counting his assists as points. Seriously. His entire life has been devoted to hating on Kobe Bryant.

But like ggsimmonds said, this thread is about the video so I'm no longer going to respond to the debate. But to say things like "there's no comparison" and "its not even close" is pretty damn ignorant. Its closer than you think. I think folks should spend less time putting the guy down and appreciate the fact that he's the last of a dying breed in the NBA...

[AirLobo23]

Re: NBA 2K12 Video - Michael Jordan vs. Kobe Bryant (Shady00018)

Anyone on these forums who wasn't old enough to see MJ play from '84 to '98 is NOT qualified to speak on the subject of MJ vs. Kobe or MJ vs. LeBron. PERIOD. Unfortunately for you, you didn't witness the greatest era in basketball and the greatest player of all time.

Feel free to compare Lebron vs. Kobe all you want, but you just sound silly when you compare anyone to MJ.