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  • Gnemi
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    • Jan 2012
    • 1519

    #1

    FIFA 13 - Youth Academy and Player Growth

    Because this particular feature is by far the most important to me when it comes to the upcoming release of FIFA 13, I figured there may be others.

    So far, there have been no official announcements about changes to either the Youth Academy or Player Growth, both of which were totally broken last year.

    In FIFA 12, there was a problem very early on with Youth Academy players developing far too quickly. Then, it all ended with a crash and a bang as EA released a patch that led to the total ruination of not only the Youth Academy, but all player growth across the game.

    Here are two common examples of just how bad it became with the patch:
    1. Bad Kids: You spend ten million euro on excellent scouts. By the end of a year, they've handpicked 2-3 studs with a potential of 85-90. During the next one or two years, you watch these players develop until you sign them to the senior squad with an OVR of around 65-70.

      At that point, it doesn't matter if you send them to a lower league team on loan or play them every single minute of every match...they will suck. In five years, they will suck less, but unless you're managing Cardiff City, they will still suck.

    2. The Two Lucas: There's a rumor that Luca Caldirola and Luca Marrone have a high potential and you can pick them up for a decent price to watch them develop into superstars over the next few years. They have low OVR, around 70 or so, but they could be high 80's soon.

      So, you sign them to Everton or Fulham and put them into your starting lineup to get them seasoned in the top flight *or* you send them to a lower league on loan while you wait for a better veteran at their position to retire.

      Groundhog Day. Whatever you do, it doesn't matter. They will suck. In two years or three years, they will still suck.


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    In scenario 1 or 2, it doesn't matter. In FIFA 12, all of your high potential transfers or Youth Academy studs will gain 1-2 points per year of OVR. In 5 years, you're lucky to have one of them approaching 80 in OVR.

    Let's use this thread to discuss changes, if any, that have been made to the Youth Academy and/or Player Growth in FIFA 13. I don't have much confidence that it will be better, but there's always a chance, however miniscule!
    Last edited by Gnemi; 09-17-2012, 12:28 PM.
  • Broncos86
    Orange and Blue!
    • May 2009
    • 5505

    #2
    Re: FIFA 13 - Youth Academy and Player Growth

    Prospects and youth are some of my major draws to a sports game. One of my greatest joys is scouting a player and getting him to develop. Sometimes, I wonder if I enjoy that more than actually playing the games! In NHL 13, it seems that way.

    Anyways, my point is that this is a major focal point for me. I know EAC has overtly said that the whole youth system has undergone some major renovations, and I hope these are positives.

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    • Gnemi
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      • Jan 2012
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      #3
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      I've heard and read the same rumors, and I saw the tweet from the developer saying that it was all "majorly improved" yet there has been no announcement or video showing us the so-called improvements.

      That worries me! If it really was improved, you'd think they'd be bragging about it.

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      • Broncos86
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        • May 2009
        • 5505

        #4
        Re: FIFA 13 - Youth Academy and Player Growth

        Eh, I wouldn't be worried. They have their "back of the box" stuff that they want to promote. It's more up to marketing to advertise the game and talk about the big stuff that ALL gamers will really lock onto.

        Honestly, until someone gets their hands on the game and just simulates through, we won't really know. Even if they did come out and show off progression more in-depth, I'd take it with a grain of salt. Every year that Tiburon has talked about how they've improved player progression and scouting in Madden, it never really pans out the way they make it seem.

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        • eyeamg0dly
          MVP
          • May 2009
          • 1671

          #5
          Re: FIFA 13 - Youth Academy and Player Growth

          well they have kept their word so far, there is no reason not to believe them. i agree though, if this is done right this year, i might not play any other games till 14 is out.
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          • UK0wnag3
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            • Apr 2012
            • 1210

            #6
            Re: FIFA 13 - Youth Academy and Player Growth

            Haha, a Cardiff joke. I like it.

            On a serious note, though, this really needs to be fixed.
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            • msuhockeycj
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              • Apr 2004
              • 353

              #7
              Re: FIFA 13 - Youth Academy and Player Growth

              I am just like you and fought with the system as much as I could last year. The pinnacle of my scouting was taking Universidad in Ireland, cheating a little so I had funds to get the best scouts, and scouting for years. Best scouts, as much playing time as possible, I generated two players to be over 80 in 10 years, a goalie and a striker (btw, all great strikers had the exact same mold, high finishing and long shots, below average speed and heading). I enjoyed that career more than any other despite the average results but I really hope they fixed it. I have some hope because all it would take is some minor tuning to allow different player types and higher progression.

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              • grizzlies317
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                • Jul 2009
                • 204

                #8
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                In case anyone hasn't seen this...it again mentions improvements to player growth, so hopefully there was a real effort made in that regard.

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                • Gnemi
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                  • Jan 2012
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                  #9
                  Re: FIFA 13 - Youth Academy and Player Growth

                  For all those interested, my goal is to be simming heavily this weekend and giving you all initial reactions and impressions regarding both the Youth Academy and Player Development.

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                  • msuhockeycj
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                    • Apr 2004
                    • 353

                    #10
                    Re: FIFA 13 - Youth Academy and Player Growth

                    Originally posted by Gnemi
                    For all those interested, my goal is to be simming heavily this weekend and giving you all initial reactions and impressions regarding both the Youth Academy and Player Development.
                    Well, your review is now the one I'm most interested to hear about. That's literally all I want to know about still with the game. You should create a thread for it and post updates.

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                    • Gnemi
                      Rookie
                      • Jan 2012
                      • 1519

                      #11
                      Re: FIFA 13 - Youth Academy and Player Growth

                      Cool! I'll just use this thread.

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                      • ncs
                        Rookie
                        • Sep 2012
                        • 8

                        #12
                        Re: FIFA 13 - Youth Academy and Player Growth

                        Hey got a favor/question to ask of you when you get it and start playing around w/ it.

                        How is the virtual pro/ players growth work. I play exclusively offline V. the CPU. I was wondering is growth achievement based like last year (ie score 10 goals get +1 finishing). Or is it based differently now?

                        Any details on that would be great.

                        Also what options do you have as a manager now in terms of spending money? Is it only to upgrade the scouts? Or can you do anything else w/ the cash?

                        Thanks again!

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                        • NaturalSelected
                          Efficiency = Joy
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 1094

                          #13
                          Re: FIFA 13 - Youth Academy and Player Growth

                          Originally posted by Gnemi
                          For all those interested, my goal is to be simming heavily this weekend and giving you all initial reactions and impressions regarding both the Youth Academy and Player Development.
                          I'll also have some time to run some simulations if people have particular requests. I will be playing UT to start with but will take some breaks.
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                          • NaturalSelected
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                            • Mar 2004
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                            Early signs are VERY positive in regards to progression. I am going to post the full Arsenal team and their +/- in the first season after simming. It takes forever to sim games by the way.

                            I'll try to sign a few to youth academy as well to see how they progress.
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                            • NaturalSelected
                              Efficiency = Joy
                              • Mar 2004
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                              #15
                              Re: FIFA 13 - Youth Academy and Player Growth

                              Members of Arsenal Team After Season 1:

                              Player | New Overall | Change
                              Fabianski | 79 | +3
                              Sagna | 83 | 0
                              Koscielny | 82 | +1
                              Vermaelen | 83 | +1
                              Gibbs | 78 | +2
                              Arteta | 81 | 0
                              Diaby | 76 | 0
                              Cazorla | 85 | +1
                              Walcott | 84 | +3
                              Giroud | 81 | +1
                              Podolski | 84 | +1
                              Rosicky | 77 | -3
                              The Ox | 78 | +2
                              Wilshere | 84 | +2
                              Ramsey | 80 | +3
                              Gervinho | 82 | +1
                              Santos | 76 | +1
                              Mertesacker | 81 | 0
                              Miquel | 68 | +1
                              Frimpong | 73 | +1
                              Eisfeld | 64 | +5
                              Gnabry | 61 | +3
                              Martinez | 60 | +1
                              Yennaris | 61 | 0
                              Jenkinson | 67 | +2
                              Coquelin | 74 | +1
                              Eastmond | 64 | +1
                              Mannone | 70 | 0
                              Djourou | 75 | 0
                              Arshavin | 79 | -2
                              Chamakh | 78 | +1
                              Squillaci | 73 | 0

                              Players Loaned Out:

                              Park | 75 | 0
                              Bendtner | 79 | +2
                              Galindo | 65 | +3
                              Afobe | 71 | +5
                              Miyaichi | 73 | +2
                              Roberts | 56 | +4

                              Couldn't really get a feel on the youth academy players as their overall ratings and potential ratings are still zeroing in on the exact values. Let me know if people have questions.
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