Is TE Lead Passing on Streaks Legit?

[Dj_MyTime]

It's been brought to my attention that the TE double streak out of 'Ace' especially is effective due to being able to lead the TE inside or outside based on where the defender is.

I HAVE not had a chance to look into it in detail and was wondering if anyone has thoughts or opinions, with the leagues kickoff last night it came up, it was mentioned in the pre-season as far as being effective but it wasn't reviewed thoroughly with all of the league staff, but last night I was informed that apparently there is a youtube tutorial which I'll try to find to get a better idea.

My understanding is it works best vs man, I do not know how effective it is vs zone, keep thoughts and opinions respectable, and as always no name dropping, thanks.

Any of you guys have any opinions, or experiences dealing with this?

[Mr_truthman.com]

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Yes, TE's in general are overpowered this year. Example I can give you is last night, I was playing a game online. Skins vs 49ers. I was using the 49ers. I called a 2 man under out of a nickel formation. I manually covered Skins TE, Fred Davis. I used the the defensive assist button. Davis ran an out pattern to the sideline. As soon as he cut, the player I was controlling was still backing up even after Davis made his cut. Davis of course caught the ball. A few plays later, I call the same play. This time I manually covered Santana Moss in the slot. He ran the exact same pattern, out route to the sideline. The player I was controlling did not continue to back up after he made his cut. Play was broken up by the defender. Both cases I used the defensive assist button, both cases I used the same player, Patrick Willis.

TE's seem to have some sort of programming bug that allows them to beat their defender. Could be by design, but yea, to answer your question sir, TE's on streaks in any ace formation with precision passing will most always be open. At least in man coverage. A 2 deep saftey play will help contain it, but a Vernon Davis type TE will beat that coverage.

[Smoke6]

Re: Is TE Lead Passing on Streaks Legit?

Yes, TE's in general are overpowered this year. Example I can give you is last night, I was playing a game online. Skins vs 49ers. I was using the 49ers. I called a 2 man under out of a nickel formation. I manually covered Skins TE, Fred Davis. I used the the defensive assist button. Davis ran an out pattern to the sideline. As soon as he cut, the player I was controlling was still backing up even after Davis made his cut. Davis of course caught the ball. A few plays later, I call the same play. This time I manually covered Santana Moss in the slot. He ran the exact same pattern, out route to the sideline. The player I was controlling did not continue to back up after he made his cut. Play was broken up by the defender. Both cases I used the defensive assist button, both cases I used the same player, Patrick Willis.

TE's seem to have some sort of programming bug that allows them to beat their defender. Could be by design, but yea, to answer your question sir, TE's on streaks in any ace formation with precision passing will most always be open. At least in man coverage. A 2 deep saftey play will help contain it, but a Vernon Davis type TE will beat that coverage.

Yes, too many people rely on this to the point that it also seems as if the defenders do not react at all to the button presses to defend such a play. I believe its more to do with the LEAD PASSING MECHANICS than it does the TEs on the field.

Also, to backup my point, I see people doing this with WRs at the TE position with great success and when I go to manually put a man on one of the TE's he doesnt cover him at all most of the time, he still plays like he is in zone instead of man coverage.

[DukeC]

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I've run across this tactic a lot (And I use it myself to cheese the computer in my Player CCM) and it's completely overpowered against zone unless you put the linebacker in a deep blue. Otherwise you'll be able to precision pass it down and inside every time for a guaranteed 15-20 yard gain.

[LBzrule]

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Any of you guys have any opinions, or experiences dealing with this?

I don't have a problem with the IDEA of lead passing to TE's on streaks. Whai I have the issue with is defensive movement, awareness and linebackers looking at footballs that could hit them in their damn face mask but they do nothing even when I switch and press and hold the Y button such that my controller's life extension is in jeapordy. The fact that the linebacker or safety does nothing is th biggest issue.

The other issue is that the defenders do not play with any technique. It is just movement with no technique in my eyes.

The other big issue here is the subbing of speed WRs in at TE. That needs to get gone.

One way they could fix it is to delay the icon and not allow the TE or WR lined up at TE to be ready for the pass until he is up the field more. The problem this solution will open up is the blitz. I have some footage of this stuff that I will contribute. It is not like the defenders do not shadow, they just cannot move like offensive players can to get to the football and make a play. Offensive locomotion needs to be tuned to get offensive players off a damn swivel and swerving mechanic and make them plant and lean if they are changing directions or altering their path.

[LBzrule]

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Another way the can deal with this within the framework of zone coverage is to have the linebackers in zone chuck the TE's. If the linebacker on the line of scrimmage is in hook, buzz or flat, the could have him chuck the TE and the release him slowing down the timing. Or they can have them chuck then shadow them up the field. They cannot say the do not have that animation in the game because they've showcased it in NCAA. Chuck and release and chuck and shadow. They have the solution to the problem. Will they implement it?

[Smoke6]

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Another way the can deal with this within the framework of zone coverage is to have the linebackers in zone chuck the TE's. If the linebacker on the line of scrimmage is in hook, buzz or flat, the could have him chuck the TE and the release him slowing down the timing. Or they can have them chuck then shadow them up the field. They cannot say the do not have that animation in the game because they've showcased it in NCAA. Chuck and release and chuck and shadow. They have the solution to the problem. Will they implement it?

I just got beat by a guy who just done this to me online, his final play to seal the deal was the 2TE streaks and the RB out of the backfield run str8 thru the LOS unchallenged and he lead passed to the RB with like 4 guys surrounding him and none of them even bothered to try and swat the ball.

On the opposite end of this spectrum, his defenders were warping to swat passes they had no business doing. I ran a 3wr set and sent manningham on a streak while my opponent was in 3-4, Manningham ran right by the inside LB and the OLB and I threw to the 5yd gap in between them and the MLB just warped and swatted the ball down and i had to punt. Cant get them to do this to save my life on streak from the TE position to save my life. Lost many games due to this and its frustratin because everyone is doing it and even if you do manage to stop it, they keep doing no matter what hoping it will eventually work like it has been for them.

Sad man, this is one of the biggest issues I have thats holding this game back from being great again to me. With this fixed, then its really more skilled game online instead of the cheese fest it is now with the way its implemented now. Especially seeing how the TE isnt even looking for the ball when they make these throws to know its been thrown 5yds away from him on any shoulder

[wisdom less13]

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I'd lean towards yes. I played some dude online that would do a quick pop pass when he needed a first. It was automatic that this square would do it. I always control a safety and I picked it off twice. A majority of the other times my defender wouldn't do squat. I eventually said eff this and backed out and took out my anger with some Modern Warfare haha It's so hard to enjoy sports games online nowadays, whether it's with the servers being butt, or dudes going for exploits. I pretty much just stick to playing my friends online for the time being. I'm just glad to get my Connected Career started with my GIANTS.

[Smoke6]

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Im not gonna bother playing this game anymore, it seems these guys get a clear speed boost when using this "precision passing" on streaks and turns the plays into posts leaving the defender in the dust each and every time. Its nothing but people coming out in shotgun the whole time running 2 man under and usering the safety that can cover any route on the field at anytime.

Im not that bad of a player but i wont return to this game online (except my online leagues) until it is patched up correctly, too many dudes balling hard with this garbage and its annoying seeing it being done while the QB is running the opposite direction of where the WR is and make an accurate pass like that with the defenders just sitting there. Dude did this on both sides of the ball forcing you to play 11 man coverage so they can audible down to an HB delaw and get mad yards, very cheap strategy and form of gameplay. first 2 weeks were a blast, you seen who had skill, then these fools who couldnt cope with the game had to break to fit their needs of playing andhave once ruined online play all over again.

Sorry for the rant man, I love the game, but EA has to do something about these players doing this crap, its not even remotely fun at all and its driving hardcore players like myself from even bothering with it at all.

[CatMan72]

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I play on all-madden in CCM as the Panthers and I abuse the AI defense with Greg Olsen with lead passing on a streak... just put it up in the air and he goes and gets it while the defender watches.

[Smoke6]

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I play on all-madden in CCM as the Panthers and I abuse the AI defense with Greg Olsen with lead passing on a streak... just put it up in the air and he goes and gets it while the defender watches.

Yep, and this is exactly how it is online

[football5680]

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This is pretty effective. You can lead him to either side and it is basically like he is running a post route to either side.

[LBzrule]

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Another thing they could do which would actually give you access to more things is to ditch the individual hot routes altogether and have presets as hots. So rather than sending TE's on a streak, I can hot to a preset, like the Texas concept; Levels; Drive ect; and these can be playbook specific where some playbooks emphasize more vertical concepts and others more short and yet others more immediate game. This way you could work out the logistics of a sugar and no huddle component into the game as well. And concepts not a part of the playbook are actually a part of it as a hot.

[RogueHominid]

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I play offline so I don't see the craziness that's possible in online play, but I think those passes are legit. It's a route and it has its risks and rewards. Vernon Davis (I use SF) isn't great at catching in traffic. If I throw that in a cover two and the S gets there, he's likely to drop it. If I throw it in a cover three I have a better chance, but a good S with instincts and range can also find his way to the seam depending on how long the route takes to develop, potentially jarring the ball loose.

To do that consistently, you have to have a fast TE who can get downfield before the DBs can account for the route and adjust, and a guy who can hang onto the ball when he gets hit. Not every team has that guy.

Online may be a totally different beast though.

[Dj_MyTime]

Re: Is TE Lead Passing on Streaks Legit?

I play offline so I don't see the craziness that's possible in online play, but I think those passes are legit. It's a route and it has its risks and rewards. Vernon Davis (I use SF) isn't great at catching in traffic. If I throw that in a cover two and the S gets there, he's likely to drop it. If I throw it in a cover three I have a better chance, but a good S with instincts and range can also find his way to the seam depending on how long the route takes to develop, potentially jarring the ball loose.

To do that consistently, you have to have a fast TE who can get downfield before the DBs can account for the route and adjust, and a guy who can hang onto the ball when he gets hit. Not every team has that guy.

Online may be a totally different beast though.

Then many may want to review this video...

http://maddendaily.com/madden-13-tip...t-end-streaks/

I would suggest anyone in Online Leagues have their staff review this info to at least make users aware.