Sound Off: Unwritten Rules Good or Bad for the Game?

[ImTellinTim]

Re: Sound Off: Unwritten Rules Good or Bad for the Game?

I can't believe the talk this is STILL getting. Coughlin would have a point if they were up by more than one score, but they weren't, so he doesn't. End of story. The o-line got knocked on their butts because they weren't aware of what was happening in front of them. If Eli would have gotten hurt it would have been their fault, not the Bucs for exercising their only option to win the game at that point - recovering a fumble.

I'm alright with some of the unwritten rules that govern good sportsmanship. It's just that this situation was not a breach of that.

I do get tired of baseball's where there practically needs to be an Official Unwritten Rules Rulebook to go along with the regular rulebook. For example, stepping on the pitching mound almost causes a brawl - give me a break.

[kingkilla56]

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Its funny. This play has gone on for decades and not once have I heard "OMG they just let them take a knee like that? How dare they not play to the last whistle. I thought the game lasts 60 minutes? This is football isn't it?"

But now all of a sudden the Bucs did the right thing. Ok then.

[JG1986]

Nothing that you two are saying contradicts what Schiano did or said. Playing to the final play when you have chance to win is completely different than playing dumb. Kneeling the ball is a strategy to safely run out as much clock as possible. It's not a unwritten mercy rule.

Letting a team score on defense is also a strategy that in certain situations can save time to help you get the victory.

I guess my hang up isn't so much the win vs the loss point of everything. I'm not criticizing the strategy. I have no problem with teams letting their opponents score if they feel that is their best of winning. What my gripe is the fact that Schiano wants to play tough nose football. Well, how are you going to allow the opponent to score on two consecutive plays (the first of which, Brown kneeled). I don't think we would ever see a SF, Bal, or Pitt do that, but yet to me, this is the type of team that Schiano wants to coach. Their defense let up in the second half. Instead of trying to force a fumble on the kneel down, why don't you play ALL 60 minutes and try to make something happen on that last TD drive for the Giants. I guess my issue isn't really so much the unwritten rules thing, but rather the fact that Schiano baffles me. I don't care about the whole well letting the Giants score is the best way that my team has to win (how does that even work?). It seems to me like a way to tie. Its the fact that Schiano wants to be recognized around the league as this tough coach with a tough team. Well, letting the Giants score, at least to me, and you can't really change how I feel, is contradictory.

[ImTellinTim]

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Its funny. This play has gone on for decades and not once have I heard "OMG they just let them take a knee like that? How dare they not play to the last whistle. I thought the game lasts 60 minutes? This is football isn't it?"

But now all of a sudden the Bucs did the right thing. Ok then.

Just because other teams haven't done it recently doesn't mean the Giants have a point when they get their panties in a bunch. I'm sure if you went back through the years, you'd find plenty of examples where a team's d-line tried to get a push down by 1 score. I bet the main difference is the o-line didn't get embarrassingly blown back on their ***.

I guess my hang up isn't so much the win vs the loss point of everything. I'm not criticizing the strategy. I have no problem with teams letting their opponents score if they feel that is their best of winning. What my gripe is the fact that Schiano wants to play tough nose football. Well, how are you going to allow the opponent to score on two consecutive plays (the first of which, Brown kneeled). I don't think we would ever see a SF, Bal, or Pitt do that, but yet to me, this is the type of team that Schiano wants to coach. Their defense let up in the second half. Instead of trying to force a fumble on the kneel down, why don't you play ALL 60 minutes and try to make something happen on that last TD drive for the Giants. I guess my issue isn't really so much the unwritten rules thing, but rather the fact that Schiano baffles me. I don't care about the whole well letting the Giants score is the best way that my team has to win (how does that even work?). It seems to me like a way to tie. Its the fact that Schiano wants to be recognized around the league as this tough coach with a tough team. Well, letting the Giants score, at least to me, and you can't really change how I feel, is contradictory.

The correct strategy is to get the ball back in your hands in that situation. If that means allowing a TD, then you allow the score. Then the correct strategy at the end is to try to recover a fumble. In both cases, Schiano is employing the strategy that will result in his team winning the highest percentage of the time. We're dealing with small percentages, but in both cases, it's the correct play. Not sure what's contradictory about that.

[kingkilla56]

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Just because other teams haven't done it recently doesn't mean the Giants have a point when they get their panties in a bunch. I'm sure if you went back through the years, you'd find plenty of examples where a team's d-line tried to get a push down by 1 score. I bet the main difference is the o-line didn't get embarrassingly blown back on their ***.

Yes that must be it Tim. Its all about the oline being embarrassed.

[ImTellinTim]

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Yes that must be it Tim. Its all about the oline being embarrassed.

Wait, are you suggesting that the Giants are the target of some kind of irrational criticism because they're the Giants? Please.

When the offense isn't attempting to advance the ball at that point of the game, there is only one way that the defense is going to get the ball back. And that's by pushing the offensive line into the quarterback causing a fumble. It could have worked too. Coughlin's conniption fit on the field was embarrassing and came off as whining when he should have been tearing his line a new ******* for allowing that to happen.

[JG1986]

Just because other teams haven't done it recently doesn't mean the Giants have a point when they get their panties in a bunch. I'm sure if you went back through the years, you'd find plenty of examples where a team's d-line tried to get a push down by 1 score. I bet the main difference is the o-line didn't get embarrassingly blown back on their ***.



The correct strategy is to get the ball back in your hands in that situation. If that means allowing a TD, then you allow the score. Then the correct strategy at the end is to try to recover a fumble. In both cases, Schiano is employing the strategy that will result in his team winning the highest percentage of the time. We're dealing with small percentages, but in both cases, it's the correct play. Not sure what's contradictory about that.

Ok. I will type slower for you. I feel it is contradictory to tell your players to play smash mouth football but give up free TDs.

Also, if I remember correctly, Schiano had one timeout left before the game ended. It doesn't take 5 seconds for a kneel down. So why did he not call a timeout and do it all over again? He's just a punk, that's why.

[ImTellinTim]

Re: Sound Off: Unwritten Rules Good or Bad for the Game?

Ok. I will type slower for you. I feel it is contradictory to tell your players to play smash mouth football but give up free TDs.

Also, if I remember correctly, Schiano had one timeout left before the game ended. It doesn't take 5 seconds for a kneel down. So why did he not call a timeout and do it all over again? He's just a punk, that's why.

Oh, OK, so you have personal feelings about Schiano. That's what I thought.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Just because other teams haven't done it recently doesn't mean the Giants have a point when they get their panties in a bunch. I'm sure if you went back through the years, you'd find plenty of examples where a team's d-line tried to get a push down by 1 score. I bet the main difference is the o-line didn't get embarrassingly blown back on their ***.

The difference is that team's Coach doesn't throw a hissy fit and if Coughlin doesn't do that then the Media has no reason to make that a story, especially since it happens more than people think it does, and we also don't have a 5 page thread going on about this.

[JG1986]

Oh, OK, so you have personal feelings about Schiano. That's what I thought.

Exactly, comment on the above statement, but leave out the other part...Schiano can't coach. Probably had no idea he had a timeout left. He is full of himself. The only reason he did what he did was to send a statement to the NFL.

[kingkilla56]

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Wait, are you suggesting that the Giants are the target of some kind of irrational criticism because they're the Giants? Please.

When the offense isn't attempting to advance the ball at that point of the game, there is only one way that the defense is going to get the ball back. And that's by pushing the offensive line into the quarterback causing a fumble. It could have worked too. Coughlin's conniption fit on the field was embarrassing and came off as whining when he should have been tearing his line a new ******* for allowing that to happen.

Lol that was world class putting words in someone else's mouth right there Tim. I didn't say anything about the Giants franchise being targeted so where that came from was purely your imagination. So you can hold your please.

Additionally, I agree the only way to win the game at that point is for the defense to somehow cause a turnover. But who is arguing against this though? The victory formation is what it is.

[JG1986]

Lol that was world class putting words in someone else's mouth right there Tim. I didn't say anything about the Giants franchise being targeted so where that came from was purely your imagination. So you can hold your please.

And we wont agree on this. But I agree the only way to win the game at that point is for the defense to somehow cause a turnover. But who is arguing against this though? The victory formation is what it is.

Tim has selective reading.

[ImTellinTim]

Re: Sound Off: Unwritten Rules Good or Bad for the Game?

Tim has selective reading.

No, I just choose to focus on the topic at hand. "Unwritten Rules Good or Bad for the Game?"

I couldn't care less about who is involved. Coughlin cried foul, it wasn't a foul. I don't care if you think Schiano is a "punk" or what you think his motivations were behind any decisions he made during the game. (Which were, again, the correct decisions).

[JG1986]

Look, all I'm saying is everyone is high and mighty for what Schiano did. Ok fine. If he wasn't trying to send some kind of statement, why didn't he take a timeout and do it all over again? If he was really trying to get a fumble, why wouldn't they call a timeout? I mean with 5 seconds or whatever was left in in the game, there is no virtually no time for anything like that to happen and Schiano knows this. However, he still tried to get the fumble, but to no avail. But if you seriously think you can get a fumble like that, try it again. So Schiano either had no idea he had a timeout left which makes him ignorant, was just trying to send a statement which kind of makes him a dick, especially with all the safety stuff this day and age, or figured there wouldn't be enough time left after the first kneel down, in which case he really still hadn't a full 60 minutes. Just how I feel. I'm done.

[wat3]

Some of these comments are so off the wall and pointless. To say the Bucs have up after the first half is just absurd. Not sure what gave you that impression besides the fact they gave up to many big plays trying to get to Eli. To say they wern't trying to when the game when they let the RB walk into the end zone is actually to the contrary. If this is some college "rah rah" stuff then whats the wildcat and why wasnt that play critized when the Dolphins were ripping yards with that play. I thought this was football. College or NFL you should still be taught to play the game out. Some might think its unsportsmanlike to rush on a kneel, but just because you frown upon it, does not mean its breaking some "unwritten rule". Be ready or be ready for the unexpected. Don't ever expect a team to give up or give in.