Many More NBA 2K13 Player Ratings Revealed - Knicks, Lakers, Bulls, Heat and More

[ojandpizza]

must keep in mind that in real life as well as the sim/stat engine in 2k... stats depend on the level of their teammates. Bosh grabs lots of boards because he & Lebron are the ONLY players on their team that CAN grab boards effectively AND the get enough minutes to do so. Tyson on the other hand has been a focal rebounder no matter what team he has been on. Put Bosh on a team wih let's say Al Jefferson... he wouldn't grab as many rebounds

The whole point of that post was because the guy was arguing Bosh vs. Amar'e.. I wasn't trying to compare him to Chandler, it was just that one instance.. You should read the other posts to get an idea of what was being said...

And you're actually wrong, Haslem and Anthony and even Turiaf are all very capable at getting rebounds. ... While they aren't big time starters like Chandler they all combine for lots of minutes to fill the "void" of that "other big man" that the Heat don't have.. That takes rebounds away from Bosh. Also with the very few minutes per game the other guys get they also take away boards.. Howard and Pittman at almost 9 per 36 minutes and Gladness at an astonishing 14 boards for 36 minutes..while they all don't play huge minutes individually there is always one of them on the court and they all combine to take away a significant number of boards..

[Belly_of_a_Whale]

Re: Many More NBA 2K13 Player Ratings Revealed - Knicks, Lakers, Bulls, Heat and More

You're saying that the Heat went and signed 3 All-Stars and they don't run the offense through them? I'm pretty sure I saw the ball in one of those three guys' hands EVERY time down court. LeBron is essentially the point guard because everything goes through him.
And maybe Bosh doesn't get as many offensive boards because he has to clear the lane for LeBron, but he COULD get more defensive boards, I mean LeBron's rebounding numbers went up, why couldn't Bosh rebound as effectively as he did in Toronto?

Here's a 3rd option All-Star who had amazing stats:

Andrew Bynum (former 3rd option of the LA Lakers)

18.7 PPG
11.8 RPG (almost 12 rebounds with another 7 footer beside of him)
2.0 BPG


And I don't know who was considered the 3rd option for the Lakers back when they had Jerry West, Wilt Chamberlain, and Elgin Baylor, but I'm fairly certain they all had above average stats as well...


So it IS possible to have great averages even as a 3rd option.

Except that Bynum was the 2nd option. Pau was the third.

Even so, watch Bynum's numbers skyrocket this season as the number 1 option, which is really the point: Bosh's numbers suffer playing with 2 superstars on a championship team MORE than Amare's numbers suffer playing with 1 (almost)superstar on a team that barely makes the playoffs.

And yet, BOSH'S NUMBERS ACROSS THE BOARD WERE BETTER THAN AMARE'S LAST SEASON.

End of debate.

[ojandpizza]

Like I said before, I really like both of these guys.. It just to me really seems like you are being very harsh on Bosh. Yeah he joined the Heat, I think you guys are trying to hurt him for that because everybody loves to hate the Heat..

[ronyell]

Re: Many More NBA 2K13 Player Ratings Revealed - Knicks, Lakers, Bulls, Heat and More

The whole point of that post was because the guy was arguing Bosh vs. Amar'e.. I wasn't trying to compare him to Chandler, it was just that one instance.. You should read the other posts to get an idea of what was being said...

And you're actually wrong, Haslem and Anthony and even Turiaf are all very capable at getting rebounds. ... While they aren't big time starters like Chandler they all combine for lots of minutes to fill the "void" of that "other big man" that the Heat don't have.. That takes rebounds away from Bosh. Also with the very few minutes per game the other guys get they also take away boards.. Howard and Pittman at almost 9 per 36 minutes and Gladness at an astonishing 14 boards for 36 minutes..while they all don't play huge minutes individually there is always one of them on the court and they all combine to take away a significant number of boards..

FYI i do read all previous posts on a subject before i post. all of ypur points though are true & feed to my point of how many MPG a player is getting in association/season. which makes the point that individual ratings HAVE to balance between whatever their teammates are rated at to get the desired effect.

if you use statistical formula ONLY based off of 2k's base ratings... stats in game will always be skewed. thank you.

[lakersphan]

Re: Many More NBA 2K13 Player Ratings Revealed - Knicks, Lakers, Bulls, Heat and More

You can't base who's better by one season. Chris Bosh played more center than Amare last year. Look at they're career stats then tell me who's better. Amares the better scorer and defender. In Amare's best day players were afraid to even step inside the paint hen he was there.

[ojandpizza]

FYI i do read all previous posts on a subject before i post. all of ypur points though are true & feed to my point of how many MPG a player is getting in association/season. which makes the point that individual ratings HAVE to balance between whatever their teammates are rated at to get the desired effect.

if you use statistical formula ONLY based off of 2k's base ratings... stats in game will always be skewed. thank you.

But what does any of that have to do with Chris Bosh being a better rebounder than Amar'e?

[ojandpizza]

You can't base who's better by one season. Chris Bosh played more center than Amare last year. Look at they're career stats then tell me who's better. Amares the better scorer and defender. In Amare's best day players were afraid to even step inside the paint hen he was there.

First of all I really really really don't remember anybody being "afraid" to step into Amar'es paint. He was a completely undersized center and has never been a great defender.. I think watching some blocks on ESPNs highlights might have you thinking this way..

Second of all even if he WAS a better scorer, which I really think they were about even, you give Chris Bosh Steve Nash and he could have scored that extra 2-3 points per game that Amar'e was averaging over him.. Especially considering how good Bosh would have been on the pick and pop.. I mean Nash even made Channing Frye and Boris Diaw looks good playing that way, imagine how Bosh would have flourished..

But even if Amar'e was a slightly better scorer then he has steadily declined in his level of play.. His 2K rating should reflect that somewhat. His shot attempts have gone up, points gone down, FG% gone down, and he only managed to play in 47 games this past season.. As for Bosh his shot attempts have went down, his FG% has actually been about the same, in fact the year before this past year was one of the highest of his career.. His rebounds and points have had a slight drop but that's arguably due to his touches and shot attempts dropping..

[ronyell]

Re: Many More NBA 2K13 Player Ratings Revealed - Knicks, Lakers, Bulls, Heat and More

But what does any of that have to do with Chris Bosh being a better rebounder than Amar'e?

because this thread is supposed to be about "ratings" & not soley a player A vs. player B debate. applying the "ratings"/ "video game" aspect to you alls conversation & how they play out IN-GAME, may put the arguments back in perspective. just my two cents. perhaps i shall go back into hiding... lol.

[ojandpizza]

because this thread is supposed to be about "ratings" & not soley a player A vs. player B debate. applying the "ratings"/ "video game" aspect to you alls conversation & how they play out IN-GAME, may put the arguments back in perspective. just my two cents. perhaps i shall go back into hiding... lol.

Haha no I understand what you're saying. This has all gotten way off topic.. To me I think both of those guys could be rated a little higher, I just felt as if Bosh was getting wrongfully(is that a word?) hated on just because of who he plays with and for..

[stillfeelme]

Re: Many More NBA 2K13 Player Ratings Revealed - Knicks, Lakers, Bulls, Heat and More

Bosh vs. Amare is a fair debate. I can't go off the 2K overalls because they have something going on that artificially inflates certain players to give whatever ranking order they decide. Hopefully it doesn't mess up association.

Rebounding: Stat and Bosh are even
Jump shots: Bosh, Amare struggled last year hard to give him a "fair" rating with his shot off most of last year
Finishing/dunking: Slight edge to Amare
Post game: push both rely on faceup game Amare prefers to use a quick first step and Bosh uses it to, but their post moves are not that deep. I will change my mind if his time with the Dream worked.
Defense: Slight edge to Bosh but neither are great
Speed: Amare
Agility: Amare

[ojandpizza]

Bosh vs. Amare is a fair debate. I can't go off the 2K overalls because they have something going on that artificially inflates certain players to give whatever ranking order they decide. Hopefully it doesn't mess up association.

Rebounding: Stat and Bosh are even
Jump shots: Bosh, Amare struggled last year hard to give him a "fair" rating with his shot off most of last year
Finishing/dunking: Slight edge to Amare
Post game: push both rely on faceup game Amare prefers to use a quick first step and Bosh uses it to, but their post moves are not that deep. I will change my mind if his time with the Dream worked.
Defense: Slight edge to Bosh but neither are great
Speed: Amare
Agility: Amare

I think we were pretty much in agreement, I had Bosh as a slightly better rebounder, but you pretty much said everything I was trying to say when comparing them as well.. Neither have a great post game and neither play great defense..

[lakersphan]

To the guy who said Amares play has declined throughout the years must hav not seen Amare before MELO came. If Chris Bosh played with MELO his numbers would be terrible. No easy wide open jumpshots. If you watch Knicks games you can see how umcomfortable Amare has been since MELO arrived.

[ronyell]

Re: Many More NBA 2K13 Player Ratings Revealed - Knicks, Lakers, Bulls, Heat and More

To the guy who said Amares play has declined throughout the years must hav not seen Amare before MELO came. If Chris Bosh played with MELO his numbers would be terrible. No easy wide open jumpshots. If you watch Knicks games you can see how umcomfortable Amare has been since MELO arrived.

THIS AGREED TIMES 10000000000000000000

[ojandpizza]

To the guy who said Amares play has declined throughout the years must hav not seen Amare before MELO came. If Chris Bosh played with MELO his numbers would be terrible. No easy wide open jumpshots. If you watch Knicks games you can see how umcomfortable Amare has been since MELO arrived.

Yeah I'm sure injuries had nothing to do with it?.. Despite Melo being there or not it's Amare's job as a "superstar" to do something about it.. In 2011 Amar'e was at his career high for FG attempts, I don't think Melo was taking THAT much away from him.. Are you also going to tell me that Melo is the reason that Amar'e isn't as explosive as he used to be? Doesn't move as quick or jump as high? Or that his FT%, rebounds, and blocks are down?

Bosh seems to be transitioning ok playing behind not 1 but 2 superstars

[Paul Pierce_OS]

Yeah I'm sure injuries had nothing to do with it?.. Despite Melo being there or not it's Amare's job as a "superstar" to do something about it.. In 2011 Amar'e was at his career high for FG attempts, I don't think Melo was taking THAT much away from him.. Are you also going to tell me that Melo is the reason that Amar'e isn't as explosive as he used to be? Doesn't move as quick or jump as high? Or that his FT%, rebounds, and blocks are down?

Bosh seems to be transitioning ok playing behind not 1 but 2 superstars

No what he is saying is with melo amare is not getting any open looks because he dose not pass the basketball. If you watch Knicks games melo is often isolated leaving amre fewer oppertunitys to get open looks. Stat should bounce back this year with Kidd and Felton aboard to set him up for more open looks.


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