NBA 2K13 Ratings - Dwight Howard – 96, Chris Bosh - 83, Roy Hibbert - 86

[raul24NDLAL12]

Re: NBA 2K13 Ratings - Dwight Howard – 96, Chris Bosh - 83, Roy Hibbert - 86

Dwight can guard 2 players against anybody? I have no idea what you're trying to say here.. Despite of whatever stat you throw in my face all I can tell you is to WATCH him play.. He has major holes in his ability to play solid one on one defense.. Is he great at help defense? YES, is a great shot blocker? YES.. Can he change the game with his defense? YES...

But there are things that don't show up on a stat sheet. What are going to tell me next, that players like Manu, Battier, and Noah aren't hustle players since there is no stat to prove so?

Also, one of the major reasons Dwights PER against is so good is because teams don't look inside near as much when playing against Howard, for obvious reasons..

Yes it's so good because teams know they can't get through Dwight Howard I mean there's a reason why he is a four time All Defensive First Team. Who do you think they have voting up their for that award ******s? I don't think so. Sure sometimes they get by Dwight Howard, But D-12 comes back knowing what they have already done to get past him & won't work twice on him. So who do you think is the best Defensive Low Post player in the league today?

[Sam Marlowe]

Re: NBA 2K13 Ratings - Dwight Howard – 96, Chris Bosh - 83, Roy Hibbert - 86

This exchange between OJ and Raul has me dying lol. Perfect example of the two types of basketball fans. Same lanuguage, different levels of fluency.

[ojandpizza]

Yes it's so good because teams know they can't get through Dwight Howard I mean there's a reason why he is a four time All Defensive First Team. Who do you think they have voting up their for that award ******s? I don't think so. Sure sometimes they get by Dwight Howard, But D-12 comes back knowing what they have already done to get past him & won't work twice on him. So who do you think is the best Defensive Low Post player in the league today?

I think Dwight probably is the best defense player of all the big men in the league.. But as far as 1 on 1 inside defense and being able to contain their match up? Kevin Garnett is very good at that, Ibaka looks like he will be soon, Kendrick Perkins, Duncan was sensational at that but his old age somewhat hinders him now.. Guys like Ben Wallace is his Detroit days....

[raul24NDLAL12]

Re: NBA 2K13 Ratings - Dwight Howard – 96, Chris Bosh - 83, Roy Hibbert - 86

I think Dwight probably is the best defense player of all the big men in the league.. But as far as 1 on 1 inside defense and being able to contain their match up? Kevin Garnett is very good at that, Ibaka looks like he will be soon, Kendrick Perkins, Duncan was sensational at that but his old age somewhat hinders him now.. Guys like Ben Wallace is his Detroit days....

Give me your top 5 1 on 1 inside defense in the post for the 11-12 season.

[RedSceptile]

Re: NBA 2K13 Ratings - Dwight Howard – 96, Chris Bosh - 83, Roy Hibbert - 86

I seriously wish I still had synergy. Guess it's time to renew it this season.

[ojandpizza]

Give me your top 5 1 on 1 inside defense in the post for the 11-12 season.

Top 5 just off the top of my head?... Uhhh Perkins, KG, Noah is probably in there, Varajao actually isn't bad either, Ibakak is on his way their, Duncan is still effective, Bogut is pretty good as well.. - those are in no particular order..

Again I don't want you to run with this and think I'm saying that any of these guys are better defenders than Dwight, because that's not what I'm saying at all.. But defense doesn't apply to just one area, same as offense.. Example: LeBron is probably the best offensive player in the league, but is he a better shooter than guys like Ray Allen or even Melo? No he's not, that's the same concept I'm applying here to this argument.

[SteboSSK]

Re: NBA 2K13 Ratings - Dwight Howard – 96, Chris Bosh - 83, Roy Hibbert - 86

Every one is arguing who is better than who but not one of you guys have posted any real advanced stats to back your arguments.

[ojandpizza]

Every one is arguing who is better than who but not one of you guys have posted any real advanced stats to back your arguments.

Stats don't always tell the whole story.. I just explained this like 3 posts back.. You can learn a lot more from the little things and watching them play than you ever can from staring at a stat sheet

[raul24NDLAL12]

Re: NBA 2K13 Ratings - Dwight Howard – 96, Chris Bosh - 83, Roy Hibbert - 86

Every one is arguing who is better than who but not one of you guys have posted any real advanced stats to back your arguments.

Stats don't always tell the truth or mean anything if that player doesn't have the hunger, or motivation to win a ring, or to go & give his 100% to the team for every game. Serge Ibaka may have averaged 3.7 Blocks per game for the 11-12 season, but where were his blocks when you needed them the most in the NBA finals? Does it mean because he lead the league in blocking per game that he is going to be the best Paint defender in the league? No.

[ojandpizza]

Stats don't always tell the truth or mean anything if that player doesn't have the hunger, or motivation to win a ring, or to go & give his 100% to the team for every game. Serge Ibaka may have averaged 3.7 Blocks per game for the 11-12 season, but where were his blocks when you needed them the most in the NBA finals? Does it mean because he lead the league in blocking per game that he is going to be the best Paint defender in the league? No.

I don't think he will be either, I like his game and I like the Thunder but he still has lots of work.. He's improving very nicely though

[Paul Pierce_OS]

I don't think he will be either, I like his game and I like the Thunder but he still has lots of work.. He's improving very nicely though

I like Ibaka too, I personally think that some stats are very useful while some are not. I hate when on other forums people bring up irrelevant stats like TS% and ect. I do however believe some stats such as team defensive stats can really tell people how a team/ player is playing rather then an "eyeball" test. But as always if you don't watch the NBA often you really shouldn't refer to stats unless you have the knowledge to back it up.


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[iLLosophy]

Re: NBA 2K13 Ratings - Dwight Howard – 96, Chris Bosh - 83, Roy Hibbert - 86

I seriously wish I still had synergy. Guess it's time to renew it this season.

Synergy is a great deal just as a NBA fan. Great alternative to NBA Broadband League Pass for around the same price, especially since half the games I want to see on League Pass are blacked out.

I like Ibaka too, I personally think that some stats are very useful while some are not. I hate when on other forums people bring up irrelevant stats like TS% and ect. I do however believe some stats such as team defensive stats can really tell people how a team/ player is playing rather then an "eyeball" test. But as always if you don't watch the NBA often you really shouldn't refer to stats unless you have the knowledge to back it up.


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Yeah you have to use both the eye test and the stats. Eye test helps you explain context, and stats help you remove any prejudice or biases you inevitably will get just by only watching games.

[williams_87_05]

Re: NBA 2K13 Ratings - Dwight Howard – 96, Chris Bosh - 83, Roy Hibbert - 86

Right should be no higher than former MVP Rose

[OTCU]

Re: NBA 2K13 Ratings - Dwight Howard – 96, Chris Bosh - 83, Roy Hibbert - 86

I like Ibaka too, I personally think that some stats are very useful while some are not. I hate when on other forums people bring up irrelevant stats like TS% and ect. I do however believe some stats such as team defensive stats can really tell people how a team/ player is playing rather then an "eyeball" test. But as always if you don't watch the NBA often you really shouldn't refer to stats unless you have the knowledge to back it up.


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You only use stats to support your arguments though?

[Sasquash]

Re: NBA 2K13 Ratings - Dwight Howard – 96, Chris Bosh - 83, Roy Hibbert - 86

Dang d12 had the hook ups this year even while being sidelined 2k made sure d12 was a monster