"PRE-PATCH" SLIDERS Claystone

**Byron Yatch** · 09-23-2012, 03:29 PM

Re: "PRE-PATCH" SLIDERS Claystone

Listen, stop messing with the sliders. I already fixed them. They're set so that if you have them where I have them, stats are realistic, anywhere else and you're gonna see anomalies and errors. Play a season on your sliders and then when your stats are WAY OUT OF WHACK, realize its because of your sliders.

If you havent tried my sliders, well then, just do what you want. But I can prove with pictures that my stats end up as realistic as this game is gonna get. Running backs run for 1400-1800 a year depending on ability and schedule they faced. QBs throw for 3500, elite ones for about 4000-4500 in that first year and only 2 qbs will throw over 40 tds.

Once you get a couple seasons in, those numbers will raise due to continuity of your team and their learning of the playbook. But its getting tiresome to see these new sliders all the time when I can prove mine with photos.

Also, how often has joseph addai EVER run for 100 yards and 2 tds in the first half? Thats ridiculous. And why doesnt stephen jackson have more rushing yards than joseph addai? Seriously, its cause your sliders arent good enough... Stephen Jackson should tear the cover 2 up just rushing up the middle with a few counters and outside runs here or there....

If you wanna make sliders, make sure there is some reason/a method to your madness. ALSO, who would want to play this game pre patch? It freezes too much and there are issues with how the game plays that they fixed.

Whats the purpose of these sliders? Are they to make the game easier for you? Thats not why we put sliders up. We put them up to get realistic amounts of rushes and passes on offense, realistic numbers, realistic stats in other words.

We tweak sliders because we've already won 3-5 perfect seasons in a row, some of us have won more in a row. This slider set is ridiculous. I challenge you to play or sim a full season and then take pictures of the stats. When they arent realistic, you'll know I was telling the truth...

**Byron Yatch** · 09-23-2012, 03:34 PM

Re: "PRE-PATCH" SLIDERS Claystone

Also, its been proven that if you mess with pass blocking and block shedding, it messes with the amounts of sacks one should be able to get in a season per player. A good enough player can get 20 sacks a season at 50 50 for both. Jared Allen averages 18 a year on my sliders. I dont know why you would put up PRE PATCH sliders, this late in a games life...

Theres no balance in your set whatsoever...
PS, post patch, if you play long enough games, they sub their players, so I dont know what you're talking about there. How long have you been playing this game to need sliders so unbalanced in order to enjoy it?

**claystone** · 09-23-2012, 05:49 PM

Re: "PRE-PATCH" SLIDERS Claystone

Byron,

I don't know what got up your ***. Great you have sliders too...but don't come down on others when they post their sliders. You are coming off like a jackass.

Number one, I've been playing this game since it first came out and had sliders done back then back in 2008 or 09, its been a long time. I'm not some dude that just picked up the game recently, and said hey i'm going to post sliders.

Number two, I have played out my games and viewed the stats, thats why I have posted these sliders. I just didn't pull them out of my ***,

Listen, just worry about your own stuff and stay in your own business.

PS: Where you even around when the game first came out helping players play this game? At least you can find thread of me helping players out

**Byron Yatch** · 09-23-2012, 07:27 PM

Re: "PRE-PATCH" SLIDERS Claystone

Listen, play the whole year out and show stats by taking photos. PROVE YOUR SLIDERS ARE GOOD. If you have more than 4 qbs throwing for 5000 yards or more in the first year, they're bad sliders. Prove me wrong. I can prove my sliders give realistic challenging difficulty.

Your sliders look like you decided defense wasnt good enough and offense was too good so you made them 95 and 5. That doesnt look balanced or reasonable to someone who was testing sliders the last 5 months with everyone else, posting daily information sometimes, always taking pictures of what the sliders ended up giving stat wise....

And Like I told purple power, Im not here to be your friend, nor does it matter if I was here when the game came out. I was doing other things like living instead of posting on forums, Then I fractured my neck back and knees. I dont care if everyone hates me. I wont change my opinion on someones SLAPDASH ATTEMPT until proven wrong WITH VERIFIABLE PHOTOS....

And when you can provide photos that show a balanced season long set of statistics, then I'll look at these or any other. But I proved why my sliders are the best. The only reason you would want to change them is if you're not good enough at the game so you need to make them easier....

Have you ever seen the cpu run for the single game rushing record on your sliders? I didnt think so. I have, and have verifiable proof. And I also understand how and why he got that many yards. I made the sliders the way I did to fix what was wrong, not change everything like you did... My qbs dont throw for more than 4000 yards in the first year because they shouldnt unless they have matchup problems for defenses like the patriots have. 2 qbs threw 40+tds in the first season, 3 qbs threw over 4000, 1 at 4500, the other 2 less. Great Rbs ran for 1500 yards in the regular season.

You cant match that realism with these sliders...

**claystone** · 09-23-2012, 08:02 PM

Re: "PRE-PATCH" SLIDERS Claystone

Originally posted by Byron Yatch

Listen, play the whole year out and show stats by taking photos. PROVE YOUR SLIDERS ARE GOOD. If you have more than 4 qbs throwing for 5000 yards or more in the first year, they're bad sliders. Prove me wrong. I can prove my sliders give realistic challenging difficulty.

Your sliders look like you decided defense wasnt good enough and offense was too good so you made them 95 and 5. That doesnt look balanced or reasonable to someone who was testing sliders the last 5 months with everyone else, posting daily information sometimes, always taking pictures of what the sliders ended up giving stat wise....

And Like I told purple power, Im not here to be your friend, nor does it matter if I was here when the game came out. I was doing other things like living instead of posting on forums, Then I fractured my neck back and knees. I dont care if everyone hates me. I wont change my opinion on someones SLAPDASH ATTEMPT until proven wrong WITH VERIFIABLE PHOTOS....

And when you can provide photos that show a balanced season long set of statistics, then I'll look at these or any other. But I proved why my sliders are the best. The only reason you would want to change them is if you're not good enough at the game so you need to make them easier....

Have you ever seen the cpu run for the single game rushing record on your sliders? I didnt think so. I have, and have verifiable proof. And I also understand how and why he got that many yards. I made the sliders the way I did to fix what was wrong, not change everything like you did... My qbs dont throw for more than 4000 yards in the first year because they shouldnt unless they have matchup problems for defenses like the patriots have. 2 qbs threw 40+tds in the first season, 3 qbs threw over 4000, 1 at 4500, the other 2 less. Great Rbs ran for 1500 yards in the regular season.

You cant match that realism with these sliders...

I've played over 30 games on Coach now and a 1 season with the Texans. This is why I'm posting my sliders. I'm not asking you to try them if you don't want to. Stay with your own if they work for you.

**Byron Yatch** · 09-23-2012, 08:41 PM

Re: "PRE-PATCH" SLIDERS Claystone

Just so you know, play now plays COMPLETELY different than career, especially once you get to year 2 and 3 and coaching staffs change, teams change playbooks and philosophies, whole rosters can change if the style is that different from the last year's playbook.

Dont change your sliders at all, just judge them properly.
Put in another 2 years on that SAME career and take photos of the end of regular season stats for each of those years(rushing passing recieving on o, single player sacks & interceptions on d). Dont touch the sliders ONCE in those 2 years, keep them exactly where they are.

You just need to realize they arent good enough IF they dont produce realistic stats. Realistic means the best rb in the league needs to be getting at least 1500 yards a year(only one in the last 10 years I believe has had less than 1500, it was like 1486 though and someone else had like 1475 or something like that).

The best qbs shouldnt get 5000 yards a year before the 2011 season and only 4-6 should that year like what happened in real life. They should NEVER get more than 50 passing tds in any season prior to the present year we are in now, as this season has just started and we dont know if anyone will beat that record by tom brady. Dont worry about qb interceptions unless too many are going over 30 a year as even 29 happened recently by Cutler a couple years ago.

Sacks should end up AVERAGING around 17 for the best in the league every year unless the guy verses an easy schedule, then he should challenge for 20-22 in a single season like jarad allen did last year. Few seasons happen where multiple people have more than 17, most end with 15 as the tops as of the last 6 years or so...

Interceptions shouldnt be more than 10 a person in any season, and very few should reach that. In fact, last person to get 10 in a single season was A cromartie in 07, no one else has gotten more than 9(ed reed a couple years). Last couple seasons max for one player was 7... Dick night train lane intercepted 14 passes in 1952, no one has gotten more since or more than 10 in the last 5 years....

**Mike3207** · 09-23-2012, 09:08 PM

Re: "PRE-PATCH" SLIDERS Claystone

About the running game, the Texans start with OLC Alex Gibbs-5 performance and all OL special skills. You'll have a good running game regardless of what sliders you use.

I think you need to make periodic adjustments to whatever slider set you use. Performance and special skills constantly change, and those have a huge impact on the gameplay.

You do have a good reputation on sliders claystone, but I would like to see how your running game works out without Gibbs-do some more testing and report back.

**Byron Yatch** · 09-23-2012, 09:13 PM

Re: "PRE-PATCH" SLIDERS Claystone

If you make adjustments to the sliders, you can never see how the game was meant to grow as the years change. You have to do a set where you dont change them for 3 years to truly understand how good or bad your slider set is. Until others have, and until others have tested their sliders on different careers at different years, they havent truly made sure their sliders will be good for different kinds of offenses and defenses.

Play the game how you want but dont expect me to respect your sliders if you havent put in the same kind of effort in testing yours as I have mine. I have 4 different careers with different drafts and different players in different philosphies in different years of the careers. ALL OF THEM PLAY REALISTICALLY WITH MY SLIDERS.

I have pure passing teams and pure running teams & option running teams, I have a 335 326 defense, a 4-3 bears cover 2 defense, a steelers 3-4 defense. All of them reproduce similar stats based on how they should play. If you cant claim that, you havent tested your sliders enough....

**claystone** · 09-23-2012, 09:51 PM

Re: "PRE-PATCH" SLIDERS Claystone

Byron,

I know Coach Now plays different. I'm the one who did a thread on this fact back in 2008 or 2009 informing the HC community. I figured it out when doing my sliders.

But that was for "Post Patch" not "Pre-Patch".

**claystone** · 09-23-2012, 09:54 PM

Re: "PRE-PATCH" SLIDERS Claystone

Originally posted by mrs844224

About the running game, the Texans start with OLC Alex Gibbs-5 performance and all OL special skills. You'll have a good running game regardless of what sliders you use.

I think you need to make periodic adjustments to whatever slider set you use. Performance and special skills constantly change, and those have a huge impact on the gameplay.

You do have a good reputation on sliders claystone, but I would like to see how your running game works out without Gibbs-do some more testing and report back.

Hey Mrs844,

What I'm getting is both teams running game looks good. Mine and the cpu's, and the cpus are a different team that doesn't have the Texans ratings.

But try them out and see what you think. I always say, it doesn't cost you anything.

**BoneThrower** · 09-24-2012, 01:07 AM

Re: "PRE-PATCH" SLIDERS Claystone

Ya know, Byron, people probably wouldn't give you such a hard time or respond so negatively against you at times if you didn't come across as such an arrogant, know-it-all jackass.

There's a lot of people on this board who've given great info over the years (ebon, mrs, claystone, picker, the dev team,etc) and never came across with the attitude that you seem to have. You get SO damn defensive if somebody questions your sliders or info that we get another 10 paragraph post of you starkly defending your stuff and insulting/degrading the poster who questioned you.

Everybody will play the game the way they want to. Get used to it. If somebody likes your sliders, then good. If somebody hates your sliders, so be it. You shared your info for others to hopefully enjoy, but it doesn't stop there. You then make post after post about how your sliders are the ONLY sliders you can use and every other slider set ever made is crap and we should bow down to your mighty slider-set skills! Seriously, get over yourself.

It's people like you that make longtime lurkers like myself hate message boards.

**Byron Yatch** · 09-25-2012, 05:42 AM

Re: "PRE-PATCH" SLIDERS Claystone

You fail to mention that I literally tried everyones slider set for 4 months and cooperated with everyone else who was making sliders while working on my own. I have tested every other slider possibility ON THIS FORUM except the last two put up. One was skip texas I believe, and then this guys sliders. And both, have no reason or rhyme to it. Neither have broken down WHY thier sliders work or what they should achieve. There's nothing to base this information on other than somoene's "reputation"...

You dont have to like my contributions, but you would be sadly mistaken if you never tried them. I never said my sliders HAVE TO BE PRE PATCH or POST patch or anything. My sliders work for any career, at anytime in the career, and my sliders shoot for realistic stats. If yours dont, they fall short of mine.

Im not here to make friends, I have those already, all over the world even. Im here to spread facts so that players new to this game will have the correct information. Im here to break down the game and why it does this or that. It never crossed my mind to care if you're my friend or not. Last I checked, I'll never meet you in person, no need to care...

Do what you want but I break down everything I say with logic and explanations, not just say I had a half with these sliders and thought they were good so Ill post them up.

Realize, not everyone cares about popularity, some people just want to know whats correct. I give good information and back it up with pictures. If you cant do that, you dont meet my expectations, nor are you worthy of my respect as you pass out information you cant verify over long enough time periods.

One game is not a good sample for a slider set(or one half with written stats). If you dont know that, its cause you havent used any logic in testing your sliders. How are you to know how the whole season will unfold by one game(or even one half)? How are you supposed to find out where stats round out if you havent played AT LEAST HALF A SEASON and doubled them, or a fourth and quadrupled them(still not a long enough to see different weather and enough matchups though)?

Play how you want, but dont tell me you have great sliders then show me 95 in everything defense and special teams, then 5 in all offense(WHILE TELLING ME I HAVE TO DELETE THE PATCH WHICH STOPS MOST OF THE FREEZING IN THIS GAME). And YOU still have the balls to claim its realistic/good slider set....

He even admitted to testing them 30 games in play now which uses an entirely different system(only one season in career which anyone who test sliders knows its harder to find difficulty with sliders after a couple years) Doesnt matter if you think you had a good set for the first year, matters how they do in year 3 and on.

You have to test sliders Later in the regular season(once teams learn their playbooks), and more importantly the playoffs(against the best teams). if you dont, you're not testing against good enough teams at their peak, just schmucks at their weakest...

If you change the sliders every game or two, you're not allowing the sliders to settle with you and why you should change this or that. You just change things cause you think they might work better, you just dont know how. You are not getting a true representation of a slider set in one game as you cant just x it by 16 and say, thats what someone should have gotten in 16 games.

UNTIL this slider set,(or any) produces a running back going over the single game record FOR THE CPU like mine have(and has a picture to prove it), they arent worthy of testing...

If you want to think you have good sliders, choose whatever sliders you prefer, play a full season on them(without changing any of them) then post the stats at the end of the season. If they are above realistic numbers, your sliders are trash... I'll do the same if you like, take me about 3 days if I plug away at it and let madden sit a little bit. Take pictures of every important statistic like yards and tds for qbs recievers and rbs, sacks and interceptions for defense. If they arent close to realistic, you wasted time believing in something you couldnt prove.

I can prove my sliders provide realism, can you prove yours do?

**Cavicchi** · 09-25-2012, 09:20 AM

Re: "PRE-PATCH" SLIDERS Claystone

Originally posted by claystone

I like playing this game Pre-Patch due to the fact that the CPU will sub their players.

After patch CPU doesn't sub players?

**CMH** · 09-25-2012, 09:42 AM

Re: "PRE-PATCH" SLIDERS Claystone

I hope I don't ever have to point out how obvious this is:

Do not EVER go into someone's slider thread and harass them. This is a community and posting sliders is something we give everyone the opportunity to do. If you don't like someone's sliders, then don't use them.

Now thanks to one member, the community has one less guy making sliders. Don't be the next one.

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