EA - Can we lower the goalie speed from post to post?

**Al_Tito13** · 10-02-2012, 04:11 PM

Re: EA - Can we lower the goalie speed from post to post?

Keytosa, I fully agree with you about the goalies. I think it's a great idea to make a poll about it so we are able to know if most people think the same. I will copy the text I wrote this morning because it's exactly what I was talking about...

I personally really think goalies anticipation, lateral movements speed and/or number of desperate saves should be tuned down and reduced.

I'm mostly an hardcore offline guy who likes realism. Passing is really hard this year and I love it. You can't pass through 2 defensemen and still get rewarded anymore, you have to choose the right time to pass. And when playing offline with pass assist at 0, it's even tougher to make a successful pass. This is very well done.

So, great passing plays are difficult to make because of better defense, which is a good thing, but when we are able to make them, it should be pretty high percentage shots. Right now, when on a 2-on-1, it's pretty useless and irrelevant to try for a pass, because even if we beat the defenseman with the pass, which is not easy to do, the goalie will steal you almost every time. Every goalie in the game has superhuman anticipation and lateral movements this year and they also make a lot of desperate saves. These kinds of saves happen in real life, but they are pretty rare and that explains the wow factor surrounding them, but in NHL 13, they happen every game, multiple times. This also can't be tuned with the goalie reaction speed slider, because the goalie will let in weak goals and extremely bad rebounds while still be great on passing plays and making desperate saves.

In my opinion, goalies have to be corrected with a tuner or a patch, and I hope it will be the case sooner than later. Right now, this is easily the most irritating thing for me about NHL 13, other than that, I really love the game.

**jonapaloma** · 10-02-2012, 04:15 PM

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I think its the goalie anticipation thats is the villain in this story. They cheat to much to one side for a easy snipe.

**Keytosa** · 10-02-2012, 07:19 PM

Re: EA - Can we lower the goalie speed from post to post?

Originally posted by Al_Tito13

Keytosa, I fully agree with you about the goalies. I think it's a great idea to make a poll about it so we are able to know if most people think the same. I will copy the text I wrote this morning because it's exactly what I was talking about...

I personally really think goalies anticipation, lateral movements speed and/or number of desperate saves should be tuned down and reduced.

I'm mostly an hardcore offline guy who likes realism. Passing is really hard this year and I love it. You can't pass through 2 defensemen and still get rewarded anymore, you have to choose the right time to pass. And when playing offline with pass assist at 0, it's even tougher to make a successful pass. This is very well done.

So, great passing plays are difficult to make because of better defense, which is a good thing, but when we are able to make them, it should be pretty high percentage shots. Right now, when on a 2-on-1, it's pretty useless and irrelevant to try for a pass, because even if we beat the defenseman with the pass, which is not easy to do, the goalie will steal you almost every time. Every goalie in the game has superhuman anticipation and lateral movements this year and they also make a lot of desperate saves. These kinds of saves happen in real life, but they are pretty rare and that explains the wow factor surrounding them, but in NHL 13, they happen every game, multiple times. This also can't be tuned with the goalie reaction speed slider, because the goalie will let in weak goals and extremely bad rebounds while still be great on passing plays and making desperate saves.

In my opinion, goalies have to be corrected with a tuner or a patch, and I hope it will be the case sooner than later. Right now, this is easily the most irritating thing for me about NHL 13, other than that, I really love the game.

I totally agree. This probably sums up the situation better than my post. I just wasn't really sure how to describe what's going on. It's definitely the acceleration/reflexes/lateral movement to make a cross-crease desperation save, which should only happen rarely, not multiple times a game IMO. Hopefully we can get some more community input so this will get addressed by EA

**I3RIS3H** · 10-02-2012, 11:41 PM

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Yes this needs to be lowered somehow, but goalies don't push off with their skates in game, they just slide. I believe next year they need to work on the goalies more and incorporate ratings that involve anticipation and having the ability to go post to post in a realistic manner, instead of locking onto the puck and magically sliding without pushing off.
If they tune it this year though, it shouldn't be much to prevent elite goalies becoming swiss cheese.

**bukktown** · 10-03-2012, 03:15 AM

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I'm a little torn on this. I enjoy doing a cross crease pass and not taking the one timer but carrying the puck back towards the passer for a split second and having a wide open far post to shoot at. We couldn't do that last year.

The Stamkos video on the main menu is kind of what I'm talking about except he receives the pass more in the slot but just imagine him being a bit farther over when he receives the pass.

**tvman** · 10-03-2012, 09:59 AM

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With pass speed set that high (full) maybe the only way for a goalie to counter that is to be extra fast himself. Any chance speed of goalie movement is tied to pass speed? He also has clear vision in those videos so he can easily see what's going on with no screening.

**brandon27** · 10-03-2012, 11:16 AM

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I think it needs to be slowed down a bit. I've been robbed in some instances where its realistic, and I've been robbed in some instances that just make me want to throw my controller because it's kind of ridiculous he was able to get there and make that save.

**Keytosa** · 10-03-2012, 11:19 AM

Re: EA - Can we lower the goalie speed from post to post?

Originally posted by brandon27

I think it needs to be slowed down a bit. I've been robbed in some instances where its realistic, and I've been robbed in some instances that just make me want to throw my controller because it's kind of ridiculous he was able to get there and make that save.

I think this sums it up pretty well. I did some more testing 2 on 0 last night. I don't think I'll be able to play this game again until it is tuned down. Here's to hoping

**FBeaule04** · 10-03-2012, 01:11 PM

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Always been the case with EA, when they try to correct something, they are messing something else in the process. This is a great exemple of that this year.

For few years, goalies we're toasted on 2 on 1, I would say 95% of the time. If the pass was going through, it was over and the biscuit was in back of the net. Problem with that wasn't the goalie (something EA didn't understand or choose not to understand) but the play of the AI D-Man.

Rule #1.1 when playing a 2 on 1. If the guys with the puck a natural scorer (like Ovie, Malkin, Gaborik, Nash, Perry, etc...) is better than the passing options, then the D-Man will play the shooter and the goalie will cheat for the pass.

Rule #1.2 when playing a 2 on 1. If the guy with the puck is not a scorer and the guy on the other side is at least equal or better than the guy with the puck, the D-man take the passing lane and the goalie plays the shooter.

Starting from there, what's the only solution when you're unable to program the AI so it understand these rules? You counter by giving the goalies an edge in moving post to post and raise the chance to make a save.

What's the results overall of doing this? If you can't get the goals from passing plays since the goalies play that too efficient, then you have to lower the short side capability of saving the puck, because overall, you'll end up with 0-0 games.

With NHL 13, you forget the rules of hockey and you play to what the game is asking you to do. Forget about the pass and play the shooter, make sure you have the stick on the short side and let the goalies do the magic when there's a post to post move to make a save.

EA will never get the D-Man to play the way they should. It's less time consuming making the goalies hiding the bad AI logic of defense in that game than taking care of that matter for good, which they didn't for 4 years now.

**statnut** · 10-03-2012, 07:30 PM

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My problem with the goalies is I feel like their vision is too perfect. You could take a slapshot from the point with three guys in front of the goalie and he'll still snag it perfectly.

**Keytosa** · 10-04-2012, 06:47 PM

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It looks like a good majority of people on here would like this changed. Can you add anything, Redshirt?

**Redshirt_EA** · 10-04-2012, 07:55 PM

Re: EA - Can we lower the goalie speed from post to post?

Originally posted by Keytosa

It looks like a good majority of people on here would like this changed. Can you add anything, Redshirt?

I can add that I voted for Yes.

It is being evaluated, but there are differing opinions on the matter. If there is a tuning update for it I'd expect it to be toned down somewhat, but not drastically.

**Cletus** · 10-04-2012, 09:44 PM

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The problem with EASHL goalies is they don't have enough "holes". Every goalie plays like they're 6'5" 240 pounds with good agility. The only way to really score on them is rebounds. It would be nice to see a cpu goalie get beat 5 hole twice in a game or low blocker side or anything different than a rebound.

**Keytosa** · 10-05-2012, 05:50 AM

Re: EA - Can we lower the goalie speed from post to post?

Originally posted by Redshirt_EA

I can add that I voted for Yes.

It is being evaluated, but there are differing opinions on the matter. If there is a tuning update for it I'd expect it to be toned down somewhat, but not drastically.

Thanks for the input Redshirt. I know you guys are watching us

I suppose something is better than nothing. I know it's unlikely, but could you release two tuners, 1.05 for us that want it that really decrease lateral movement for goalies, and 1.06 that's more of a minor adjustment and used for online play since its the most recent tuner? Thanks again for the input

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