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  • capitolrf
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    • Jan 2012
    • 354

    #1

    Nba 2k13 Catering to Superstars and Elite Teams

    Do you guys think 2k13 caters to elite teams and superstars? To me it seams the game just caters to the elite teams and star players. For example look at John Wall -vs- Rajon Rondo

    Rondo - Overall 90, shot inside 84, close 72, medium 70, 3pt 61 - Sig. Skills - Pick Pocket, Dimer, Scraper, Ankle Breaker, Floor Generals

    Wall - Overall 83, shot inside 88, close 80, medium 77, 3pt 60 - Sig. Skills - Acrobat, Finisher, Shot Creator

    I compare these two cause there games are similar, there both penetrators who can finish well at the rim, no pure jump shots and run there teams. (Granted Rondo has a better supporting cast.)

    As you can see Wall has the better shooting stats. But if you take a look at their hot zones. Wall has more cold zones than Rondo. (which makes his Shot Creator Sig. pointless when he can't make a jump shot on the game)

    Now, to me the game is catered to Rondo more than Wall. Yes, in real life Rondo is a better all-around player than Wall. But as far as shooting is concerned Wall should have more neutral zones than cold. I understand this is were the players shoot the majority of there shots in a game setting, but to me the zones and ratings don't match up in my honest opinion. Wall's Signature Skills is dictated more to his shooting abilities, while Rondo's is more in the "Run the team" aspect. But Rondo will make more shots because he has lesser cold zones even though his shooting ratings is worst than Wall's. We can argue all day about who has the better jump shot in real life, but as far as the game is concerned it is Rondo over Wall even if the ratings doesn't prove it.
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  • younggrease
    Pro
    • Oct 2005
    • 558

    #2
    Re: Nba 2k13 Catering to Superstars and Elite Teams

    if you watched John Wall play last year you would understand those cold zones. It was horrible. Also, I believe they get the zones from data keep on nba.com. It used to located at nba.com/hotzones.

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    • Mauer4MVP
      MVP
      • Mar 2010
      • 2407

      #3
      Re: Nba 2k13 Catering to Superstars and Elite Teams

      The dude shot 28% outside of 3 feet. There is a reason for it.

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      • capitolrf
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        • Jan 2012
        • 354

        #4
        Re: Nba 2k13 Catering to Superstars and Elite Teams

        Originally posted by younggrease
        if you watched John Wall play last year you would understand those cold zones. It was horrible. Also, I believe they get the zones from data keep on nba.com. It used to located at nba.com/hotzones.
        I live in D.C. and watched all the Wiz games plus his Summer League games at the Goodman League. His 3pt shot needs improvement, but his mid-game was way better than last year. The stats to show.

        <table class="statsHeader" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="742"><tbody><tr><td width="2"> </td> <td class="gSGSectionTitleStatsGrid" width="738"> Career Season Averages
        </td> <td width="2"> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table class="playerStatTable careerAvg" border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr class="title"> <td class="year">Year</td> <td class="team">Team</td> <td>G</td> <td>GS</td> <td>MPG</td> <td>FG%</td> <td>3P%</td> <td>FT%</td> <td>OFF</td> <td>DEF</td> <td>RPG</td> <td>APG</td> <td>SPG</td> <td>BPG</td> <td>TO</td> <td>PF</td> <td>PPG</td> </tr> <tr class=""> <td class="yr">10-11</td> <td class="tm">WAS</td> <td>69</td> <td>64</td> <td>37.8</td> <td>0.409</td> <td>0.296</td> <td>0.766</td> <td>0.5</td> <td>4.1</td> <td>4.6</td> <td>8.3</td> <td>1.8</td> <td>0.5</td> <td>3.78</td> <td>2.54</td> <td>16.4</td> </tr> <tr class="odd"> <td class="yr">11-12</td> <td class="tm">WAS</td> <td>66</td> <td>66</td> <td>36.2</td> <td>0.423</td> <td>0.071</td> <td>0.789</td> <td>0.7</td> <td>3.8</td> <td>4.5</td> <td>8.0</td> <td>1.4</td> <td>0.9</td> <td>3.86</td> <td>2.08</td> <td>16.3</td></tr></tbody></table>
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        • ggsimmonds
          Hall Of Fame
          • Jan 2009
          • 11235

          #5
          Re: Nba 2k13 Catering to Superstars and Elite Teams

          Originally posted by capitolrf
          I live in D.C. and watched all the Wiz games plus his Summer League games at the Goodman League. His 3pt shot needs improvement, but his mid-game was way better than last year. The stats to show.

          <table class="statsHeader" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="742"><tbody><tr><td width="2"> </td> <td class="gSGSectionTitleStatsGrid" width="738"> Career Season Averages
          </td> <td width="2"> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table class="playerStatTable careerAvg" border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr class="title"> <td class="year">Year</td> <td class="team">Team</td> <td>G</td> <td>GS</td> <td>MPG</td> <td>FG%</td> <td>3P%</td> <td>FT%</td> <td>OFF</td> <td>DEF</td> <td>RPG</td> <td>APG</td> <td>SPG</td> <td>BPG</td> <td>TO</td> <td>PF</td> <td>PPG</td> </tr> <tr class=""> <td class="yr">10-11</td> <td class="tm">WAS</td> <td>69</td> <td>64</td> <td>37.8</td> <td>0.409</td> <td>0.296</td> <td>0.766</td> <td>0.5</td> <td>4.1</td> <td>4.6</td> <td>8.3</td> <td>1.8</td> <td>0.5</td> <td>3.78</td> <td>2.54</td> <td>16.4</td> </tr> <tr class="odd"> <td class="yr">11-12</td> <td class="tm">WAS</td> <td>66</td> <td>66</td> <td>36.2</td> <td>0.423</td> <td>0.071</td> <td>0.789</td> <td>0.7</td> <td>3.8</td> <td>4.5</td> <td>8.0</td> <td>1.4</td> <td>0.9</td> <td>3.86</td> <td>2.08</td> <td>16.3</td></tr></tbody></table>
          Those stats don't show a breakdown by location/distance. All we know from this is that overall Wall shot 42% from the field. Last year Rondo was 44% from the field.
          so those stats don't show what you are claiming they do.

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          • Po0hd1n1
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            • Oct 2012
            • 378

            #6
            Re: Nba 2k13 Catering to Superstars and Elite Teams

            i like wall but he cant shoot

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            • ggsimmonds
              Hall Of Fame
              • Jan 2009
              • 11235

              #7
              Re: Nba 2k13 Catering to Superstars and Elite Teams

              from NBA.com

              John Wall:
              Last season he shot 33% from midrange (105-323)


              Rondo
              Last season he shot 39% from midrange (64-163)

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              • capitolrf
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                • Jan 2012
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                #8
                Re: Nba 2k13 Catering to Superstars and Elite Teams

                Originally posted by younggrease
                if you watched John Wall play last year you would understand those cold zones. It was horrible. Also, I believe they get the zones from data keep on nba.com. It used to located at nba.com/hotzones.
                Originally posted by ggsimmonds
                from NBA.com

                John Wall:
                Last season he shot 33% from midrange (105-323)




                Rondo
                Last season he shot 39% from midrange (64-163)
                http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/pla...01112;season=r

                Wall takes more shots, plus his shot are contested, while Rondo shoots open shots due to his supporting cast. I just feel the mid-range should be neutral rather than cold. Cold for 3pts.
                Last edited by capitolrf; 10-06-2012, 09:47 PM.
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                • SteboSSK
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                  • Jun 2011
                  • 821

                  #9
                  Re: Nba 2k13 Catering to Superstars and Elite Teams

                  Originally posted by capitolrf
                  Wall takes more shots, plus his shot are contested, while Rondo shoots open shots due to his supporting cast. I just feel the mid-range should be neutral rather than cold. Cold for 3pts.
                  Dog just let it go, you are obviously a Wall/DC fan with an agenda. If anything they overrating Wall. He has a high ceiling but so far is an ever poorer shooter than Rondo on some levels. Cant live off of potential forever.

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                  • capitolrf
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                    • Jan 2012
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                    #10
                    Re: Nba 2k13 Catering to Superstars and Elite Teams

                    Originally posted by SteboSSK
                    Dog just let it go, you are obviously a Wall/DC fan with an agenda. If anything they overrating Wall. He has a high ceiling but so far is an ever poorer shooter than Rondo on some levels. Cant live off of potential forever.
                    No agenda just stating what the games does. Here's another example i've seen Wade go 5-7 from 3pt range with a 68 rating and all yellows with a C- shot IQ, while Ben Gordon goes 0-8 with all green and a B- on the shot IQ with a 86 rating. While my cousins were playing. We just had to laugh about it. Check out Rashard Lewis 2k12 3pt rating 72 ,2k13 with the Heat 81
                    Last edited by capitolrf; 10-06-2012, 10:33 PM.
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                    • ggsimmonds
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 11235

                      #11
                      Re: Nba 2k13 Catering to Superstars and Elite Teams

                      Originally posted by capitolrf
                      Wall takes more shots, plus his shot are contested, while Rondo shoots open shots due to his supporting cast. I just feel the mid-range should be neutral rather than cold. Cold for 3pts.

                      The game can only go by what is, not what if.
                      And what is is that Wall is a subpar shooter. But his acrobat and finisher skills make him a beast.
                      Better supporting cast or not, rondo's shooting numbers are better than Wall's. I think you are just biased.

                      But while we are on the subject of hot/cold zones, I do wish that in association mode a player's zones may change over the years. In the case of Wall, as he progresses and his shooting attributes improve I think the zones should update as a result of this.

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                      • ojandpizza
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Apr 2011
                        • 29807

                        #12
                        Originally posted by capitolrf
                        No agenda just stating what the games does. Here's another example i've seen Wade go 5-7 from 3pt range with a 68 rating and all yellows with a C- shot IQ, while Ben Gordon goes 0-8 with all green and a B- on the shot IQ with a 86 rating. While my cousins were playing. We just had to laugh about it. Check out Rashard Lewis 2k12 3pt rating 72 ,2k13 with the Heat 81
                        So two people were playing? Could be just a simple case of the guy not knowing how to use Ben Gordon's shot?


                        Or maybe the game did that on purpose to punish the idiot for picking the bobcats...

                        joking lol


                        As for Lewis, in case you haven't noticed pretty much every player has had attribute boosts from 2K12 to 13.

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                        • capitolrf
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                          • Jan 2012
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                          #13
                          Re: Nba 2k13 Catering to Superstars and Elite Teams

                          Originally posted by ggsimmonds
                          The game can only go by what is, not what if.
                          And what is is that Wall is a subpar shooter. But his acrobat and finisher skills make him a beast.
                          Better supporting cast or not, rondo's shooting numbers are better than Wall's. I think you are just biased.

                          But while we are on the subject of hot/cold zones, I do wish that in association mode a player's zones may change over the years. In the case of Wall, as he progresses and his shooting attributes improve I think the zones should update as a result of this.
                          True, i think hot/cold zones should change with the updates
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                          • VincentB
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                            • Apr 2012
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                            #14
                            Re: Nba 2k13 Catering to Superstars and Elite Teams

                            I'm a big time Wizards fan, and I think that John Wall is rated accurately on 2k13. He's a beast if you know how to use him; his speed, ball handling, passing ability and his knack for finishing around the rim make him tough to handle.

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                            • TheRealHST
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                              • Jan 2011
                              • 1755

                              #15
                              Re: Nba 2k13 Catering to Superstars and Elite Teams

                              Sorry thread starter but I need more evidence than two PGs when one PG (Wall) is proven to be a bad shooter in real life.

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