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  • aholbert32
    (aka Alberto)
    • Jul 2002
    • 33106

    #1

    Why cant/wont the Islanders move to Brooklyn?

    I'll admit that I know very little about Hockey but I was reading articles about the lockout and some notes about the struggles the Islanders are having in Long Island. Here are the facts as I know them:

    - Brooklyn has a new arena.
    - That arena is hosting hockey. The KHL is hosting a game there in January.
    - The Islanders havent been able to secure a new arena.
    - The Islanders old arena is a dump.
    - Brooklyn's arena needs as many events as possible to help fund the building costs.

    So why cant/wont they move to Brooklyn like the Nets?
  • BunnyHardaway
    Banned
    • Nov 2004
    • 15195

    #2
    Re: Why cant/wont the Islanders move to Brooklyn?

    The arena wasn't designed for hockey, which makes the one end of the arena unusable because of poor/obstructed sightlines.

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    • DrJones
      All Star
      • Mar 2003
      • 9107

      #3
      Re: Why cant/wont the Islanders move to Brooklyn?

      Originally posted by aholbert32
      I'll admit that I know very little about Hockey but I was reading articles about the lockout and some notes about the struggles the Islanders are having in Long Island. Here are the facts as I know them:

      - Brooklyn has a new arena.
      - That arena is hosting hockey. The KHL is hosting a game there in January.
      - The Islanders havent been able to secure a new arena.
      - The Islanders old arena is a dump.
      - Brooklyn's arena needs as many events as possible to help fund the building costs.

      So why cant/wont they move to Brooklyn like the Nets?
      It may well happen in time. But there are significant obstacles:

      - The Barclays Center was built by the Nets' owners for the specific purpose of playing there
      - It was not built to be an NHL rink; without major renovations, maximum seating for NHL games is 14,500 (500 less than the MTS Centre in Winnipeg, by far the smallest rink in the NHL); gonna be difficult to make a profit unless you're charging far more for tix than the Rangers do (unlikely)
      - The Islanders' lease at Nassau Coliseum doesn't expire until after the 2014-15 season, so the Isles ain't going anywhere for 3 years
      - The Islanders' owner, Charles Wang, is very unlikely to move the team to another arena where he's a tenant; if he can't convince/blackmail Long Island into approving a new stadium/development deal, he's almost certainly going to sell
      - Are the Nets' owners interested in buying the Islanders? Are they prepared to pay more than a group from Quebec City or Seattle or Toronto will?
      Originally posted by Thrash13
      Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
      Originally posted by slickdtc
      DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
      Originally posted by Kipnis22
      yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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      • DrJones
        All Star
        • Mar 2003
        • 9107

        #4
        Re: Why cant/wont the Islanders move to Brooklyn?

        Originally posted by JJLinn
        The arena wasn't designed for hockey, which makes the one end of the arena unusable because of poor/obstructed sightlines.

        Correct. And if anyone's wondering how Winnipeg can survive in a similarly small arena, it because a.) the team owns the arena, and b.) their fans are willing to pay insane prices for tickets.

        2011/12 average ticket prices (in US dollars):

        2. Jets - $98.27
        8. Rangers - $66.20
        20. Islanders - $49.06
        22. Devils - $45.86
        Originally posted by Thrash13
        Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
        Originally posted by slickdtc
        DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
        Originally posted by Kipnis22
        yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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        • gopher_guy
          The Kaptain
          • Jul 2011
          • 7389

          #5
          Re: Why cant/wont the Islanders move to Brooklyn?

          Originally posted by DrJones
          Correct. And if anyone's wondering how Winnipeg can survive in a similarly small arena, it because a.) the team owns the arena, and b.) their fans are willing to pay insane prices for tickets.

          2011/12 average ticket prices (in US dollars):

          2. Jets - $98.27
          8. Rangers - $66.20
          20. Islanders - $49.06
          22. Devils - $45.86
          Wow, they better hope the team doesn't go through a multi year rough patch...
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          • ImTellinTim
            YNWA
            • Sep 2006
            • 33028

            #6
            Re: Why cant/wont the Islanders move to Brooklyn?

            Originally posted by gopher_guy
            Wow, they better hope the team doesn't go through a multi year rough patch...
            Who the Jets? They'll still sell out the place at that price when they suck.

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            • TracerBullet
              One Last Job
              • Jun 2009
              • 22119

              #7
              Re: Why cant/wont the Islanders move to Brooklyn?

              Originally posted by ImTellinTim
              Who the Jets? They'll still sell out the place at that price when they suck.
              Yep. My guess is that all of the Canadian teams have relatively high prices, but will always sell out for the most part.
              Originally posted by BlueNGold
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              • DrJones
                All Star
                • Mar 2003
                • 9107

                #8
                Re: Why cant/wont the Islanders move to Brooklyn?

                Originally posted by gopher_guy
                Wow, they better hope the team doesn't go through a multi year rough patch...
                You mean like the Oilers and their 270 consecutive sellouts while residing in the West basement?
                Originally posted by Thrash13
                Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
                Originally posted by slickdtc
                DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
                Originally posted by Kipnis22
                yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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                • DrJones
                  All Star
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 9107

                  #9
                  Re: Why cant/wont the Islanders move to Brooklyn?

                  Originally posted by TracerBullet
                  Yep. My guess is that all of the Canadian teams have relatively high prices, but will always sell out for the most part.
                  The real question is, what happens to NHL revenues (and the salary cap/floor) if teams like Toronto, Montreal, Edmonton and Winnipeg made the playoffs with regularity? The answer: start counting down to the next lockout after this one.
                  Last edited by DrJones; 10-11-2012, 02:59 PM.
                  Originally posted by Thrash13
                  Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
                  Originally posted by slickdtc
                  DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
                  Originally posted by Kipnis22
                  yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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                  • gopher_guy
                    The Kaptain
                    • Jul 2011
                    • 7389

                    #10
                    Re: Why cant/wont the Islanders move to Brooklyn?

                    Originally posted by DrJones
                    You mean like the Oilers and their 270 consecutive sellouts while residing in the West basement?
                    Why did the Jets leave the first time?

                    I think I was like 4 when they left for Phoenix. I'm assuming it had something to do with bad attendance. And I'm assuming that had something to do with the team being bad. What has changed in Winnipeg where the same thing couldn't happen?

                    Or were there different reasons for them moving the first time?
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                    • DrJones
                      All Star
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 9107

                      #11
                      Re: Why cant/wont the Islanders move to Brooklyn?

                      Originally posted by gopher_guy
                      Why did the Jets leave the first time?

                      I think I was like 4 when they left for Phoenix. I'm assuming it had something to do with bad attendance. And I'm assuming that had something to do with the team being bad. What has changed in Winnipeg where the same thing couldn't happen?

                      Or were there different reasons for them moving the first time?
                      Salaries jumped dramatically in the early 90s, the Canadian dollar was 65 cents American, nobody wanted to fund a new arena, and people thought the NHL was going to boom in the Sun Belt. Fan support was never an issue.

                      EDIT: I know you're young, but it still seems an odd question from a hockey fan in Minnesota. Did you ever ask anyone why the North Stars left? They were certainly more successful on the ice than the Wild.
                      Last edited by DrJones; 10-12-2012, 06:10 PM.
                      Originally posted by Thrash13
                      Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
                      Originally posted by slickdtc
                      DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
                      Originally posted by Kipnis22
                      yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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                      • gopher_guy
                        The Kaptain
                        • Jul 2011
                        • 7389

                        #12
                        Re: Why cant/wont the Islanders move to Brooklyn?

                        Originally posted by DrJones
                        Salaries jumped dramatically in the early 90s, the Canadian dollar was 65 cents American, nobody wanted to fund a new arena, and people thought the NHL was going to boom in the Sun Belt. Fan support was never an issue.
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                        • BlueNGold
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 21817

                          #13
                          Re: Why cant/wont the Islanders move to Brooklyn?

                          Aaaand they're moving to Brooklyn.
                          Originally posted by bradtxmale
                          I like 6 inches. Its not too thin and not too thick. You get the support your body needs.



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                          • aholbert32
                            (aka Alberto)
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 33106

                            #14
                            Re: Why cant/wont the Islanders move to Brooklyn?

                            Originally posted by BlueNGold
                            LOL. Wow. So I guess the Islanders are OK with the poor sightlines?

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                            • SPTO
                              binging
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 68046

                              #15
                              Re: Why cant/wont the Islanders move to Brooklyn?

                              It'll be interesting to see how many fans they can get to the Barclays Center for the Isla...er I guess they'll change their name too.

                              Jeez, flushing all that history down the drain. Oh well.....
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