Does awareness do anything for O-line

[Jsan915]

Does it do anything for the O-line. I think it will help with who they have to block when they run down the field. But most of the time they are at the line of scrimmage so they will just block the person that is in front of them or to the left or right. While my TE,FB, or WR block for me the down the field.

[Juce734]

Re: Does awareness do anything for O-line

I think it has to do with picking up the blitz. At least that is what I always assumed.

[General Butt Naked]

Re: Does awareness do anything for O-line

no, because the blocking system is not sound enough to be able to express attributes yet. it needs to be totally redone. and this is the number 1 problem with gameplay in this game. so start shouting it out

[PGaither84]

Re: Does awareness do anything for O-line

Some people swear by it, but no, it doesn't matter.

In pass blocking, the line knows the defensive play. It knows who is and who isn't blitzing. The only way to confuse it is to blitz with someone who wasn't supposed to. For example, call Trio Sky Zone:



tell the Sam to drop into a hook zone and user blitz. You will get MUCH different blocking/results than if you just ran the play normally.

You can also create pressure with overloads. Call that same play and crash the line right. By doing that, you tell the NT to crash right, which causes him to be blocked by the guard and not the center. Instead, the center blocked the Mike. That also means the LE is blocked by the RT, and the LG tends to block the RE. That gives the Sam a free release, unless the HB or TE are kept in to block. Awareness has nothing to do with it. That is simply how the game is programmed. Now, it is possible that awareness has to do with the running game and how well a pulling guard plays, but I tend to play with custom sliders, and even with only 5 run blocking for the user, they still do a decent job no matter what team I use.

What's important are the Pass/Run Blocking Strength/Footwork ratings. I don't even really believe in the impact block rating. Impact block is supposed to help determine if the lineman pancakes the defender, but i just don't see it happen even with guys who have 99 impact block.

[TheDelta]

Re: Does awareness do anything for O-line

no, because the blocking system is not sound enough to be able to express attributes yet. it needs to be totally redone. and this is the number 1 problem with gameplay in this game. so start shouting it out

That's not completely true. While awareness really doesn't seem to play a role, I'm pretty sure Run and Pass Block ratings do. I've had several situations where a player with higher Pass Block held a block noticably longer than a replacement with lower ratings in the same spot.

[GiantBlue76]

Re: Does awareness do anything for O-line

Some people swear by it, but no, it doesn't matter.

In pass blocking, the line knows the defensive play. It knows who is and who isn't blitzing. The only way to confuse it is to blitz with someone who wasn't supposed to. For example, call Trio Sky Zone:



tell the Sam to drop into a hook zone and user blitz. You will get MUCH different blocking/results than if you just ran the play normally.

You can also create pressure with overloads. Call that same play and crash the line right. By doing that, you tell the NT to crash right, which causes him to be blocked by the guard and not the center. Instead, the center blocked the Mike. That also means the LE is blocked by the RT, and the LG tends to block the RE. That gives the Sam a free release, unless the HB or TE are kept in to block. Awareness has nothing to do with it. That is simply how the game is programmed. Now, it is possible that awareness has to do with the running game and how well a pulling guard plays, but I tend to play with custom sliders, and even with only 5 run blocking for the user, they still do a decent job no matter what team I use.

What's important are the Pass/Run Blocking Strength/Footwork ratings. I don't even really believe in the impact block rating. Impact block is supposed to help determine if the lineman pancakes the defender, but i just don't see it happen even with guys who have 99 impact block.

in madden 13, they removed the footwork ratings. Now it is simply Pass Block and Run Block.

[the veteran]

Re: Does awareness do anything for O-line

in madden 13, they removed the footwork ratings. Now it is simply Pass Block and Run Block.

It's not fully removed, only in CCM.

[SJHalt621]

It's not fully removed, only in CCM.

Yeah but somewhere the lead director said they don't work

[thrust]

Re: Does awareness do anything for O-line

in madden 13, they removed the footwork ratings. Now it is simply Pass Block and Run Block.

He can have 99 impact block, but he can only hit with 99% of the strength he has. So if your guys strength is 85, he's hitting at 85 strength when engaging. Depending on how strong the defender is, this will tell you if he will be knocked down or not. Some players will stumble and not fall if their strength isn't low enough vs the o-lineman to be pancaked.
On the other hand, if a players strength is 99 and his impact block is 99 he'll surely pancake almost anyone he encounters.
And thirdly, if a players strength is 99, but his impact block is low, say 65, he can only use 65 percent of his 99 strength at the initial impact of his block.
Remember, we're talking impact block. A player with high strength will still move back a defender with a lower strength rating after being engaged.

[SloeyEZ]

Re: Does awareness do anything for O-line

He can have 99 impact block, but he can only hit with 99% of the strength he has. So if your guys strength is 85, he's hitting at 85 strength when engaging. Depending on how strong the defender is, this will tell you if he will be knocked down or not. Some players will stumble and not fall if their strength isn't low enough vs the o-lineman to be pancaked.
On the other hand, if a players strength is 99 and his impact block is 99 he'll surely pancake almost anyone he encounters.
And thirdly, if a players strength is 99, but his impact block is low, say 65, he can only use 65 percent of his 99 strength at the initial impact of his block.
Remember, we're talking impact block. A player with high strength will still move back a defender with a lower strength rating after being engaged.

Nice post! How do you know this? Is this verified? EA is not in the habit of giving out particulars like this.

[Jsan915]

Re: Does awareness do anything for O-line

He can have 99 impact block, but he can only hit with 99% of the strength he has. So if your guys strength is 85, he's hitting at 85 strength when engaging. Depending on how strong the defender is, this will tell you if he will be knocked down or not. Some players will stumble and not fall if their strength isn't low enough vs the o-lineman to be pancaked.
On the other hand, if a players strength is 99 and his impact block is 99 he'll surely pancake almost anyone he encounters.
And thirdly, if a players strength is 99, but his impact block is low, say 65, he can only use 65 percent of his 99 strength at the initial impact of his block.
Remember, we're talking impact block. A player with high strength will still move back a defender with a lower strength rating after being engaged.

this makes sense and i want to believe u. But do u have a video or something that proves what u said.

ill probaly go into practice with created players and see what happens. But what u said makes so much sense.