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  • jfsolo
    Live Action, please?
    • May 2003
    • 12965

    #1

    This game is so close to greatness now.

    In my opinion of course. There has been some discussion of it in other threads, but I wanted to talk about it in more detail. Yes, it took four patches, and many legacy issues are still hanging around, e.g. no pass interference calls, but this game is playing really well now.

    As far as the number one gameplay bugaboo, the safety play for the CPU, playing on almost default Heisman, with nine minute quarters, I might see a half a dozen plays where they botch the coverage(that's with me looking at replays), and with settings that I'm using, the CPU gets enough pressure on me that I only have time to hit those guys that are coming free 2 or 3 times a game, and I have to see it in real time. We know that it is a setting glitch that should have been fixed, but it probably is mirroring the actual number of blow coverages that occur every game in college football these days.

    So many other things though seem to have been tightened up quite a bit.

    Blocking is better, i.e. less matador plays by FB's, pulling G's, and WR's
    the left end doesn't seem to be as overpowered in comparison to the right end now
    LB's play much better in their zones now
    tackling animations are more varied and tackle ratings seem to matter more as well
    With the exception of PI, penalty sliders are more sensitive/effective
    fatigue works better resulting in more carries for back up RB's

    I could list a lot more, but the most impressive improvement is the CPU playcalling and execution. For me on Heisman right now, IMO, the CPU RB and QB AI is the best its been in a decade, but without the Robo qualities. I have an A+ team across the board and it was so nice in the last game to see the CPU 93 OVR, star running back play like a star player and still be effective. For the first time in many, many years, the the CPU RB was hitting the right holes, running north-south instead of east-west for no reason. He had 24 carries for 165, with most of the runs in between the tackles for 4 or 5 yards an occasional juke or spin when necessary, but mainly just running downhill.

    The QB wasn't as good a player so he made a few mistakes in the passing game, but he didn't get sacked on any screens, or scramble into tackles brainlessly. He played the way you would expect an average QB to play against the number one team in the country.

    I'm going to start over in my dynasty, it's going to be really fun building my team back up, now that recruiting and gameplay have been improved so much.
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  • kingsofthevalley
    MVP
    • May 2011
    • 1962

    #2
    Re: This game is so close to greatness now.

    So the last patch tightened all of this up? I don't know, I see so many conflicting statements on these boards its hard to tell now. I'm also still wondering if xan is going to convert his Madden hex global editor to NCAA. If so, I might be picking these titles up again.

    Even with all of these upgrades, the actual player movement is what rubs me the wrong way. That needs a major overhaul.

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    • Sundown2600
      Brake less...Go Faster!
      • Jul 2009
      • 1362

      #3
      Re: This game is so close to greatness now.

      Originally posted by jfsolo
      In my opinion of course. There has been some discussion of it in other threads, but I wanted to talk about it in more detail. Yes, it took four patches, and many legacy issues are still hanging around, e.g. no pass interference calls, but this game is playing really well now.

      As far as the number one gameplay bugaboo, the safety play for the CPU, playing on almost default Heisman, with nine minute quarters, I might see a half a dozen plays where they botch the coverage(that's with me looking at replays), and with settings that I'm using, the CPU gets enough pressure on me that I only have time to hit those guys that are coming free 2 or 3 times a game, and I have to see it in real time. We know that it is a setting glitch that should have been fixed, but it probably is mirroring the actual number of blow coverages that occur every game in college football these days.

      So many other things though seem to have been tightened up quite a bit.

      Blocking is better, i.e. less matador plays by FB's, pulling G's, and WR's
      the left end doesn't seem to be as overpowered in comparison to the right end now
      LB's play much better in their zones now
      tackling animations are more varied and tackle ratings seem to matter more as well
      With the exception of PI, penalty sliders are more sensitive/effective
      fatigue works better resulting in more carries for back up RB's

      I could list a lot more, but the most impressive improvement is the CPU playcalling and execution. For me on Heisman right now, IMO, the CPU RB and QB AI is the best its been in a decade, but without the Robo qualities. I have an A+ team across the board and it was so nice in the last game to see the CPU 93 OVR, star running back play like a star player and still be effective. For the first time in many, many years, the the CPU RB was hitting the right holes, running north-south instead of east-west for no reason. He had 24 carries for 165, with most of the runs in between the tackles for 4 or 5 yards an occasional juke or spin when necessary, but mainly just running downhill.

      The QB wasn't as good a player so he made a few mistakes in the passing game, but he didn't get sacked on any screens, or scramble into tackles brainlessly. He played the way you would expect an average QB to play against the number one team in the country.

      I'm going to start over in my dynasty, it's going to be really fun building my team back up, now that recruiting and gameplay have been improved so much.
      I agree with all of this. The main thing I've noticed is smarter QB play across the board, but I have really noticed a larger disparity between high awareness QBs and low awareness QBs. I had noticed this very early on and confirmed it recently playing several games against Ohio State. I raised Braxton Miller's Awr and BCV edited to 85. Then I played several games against them with his Awr at default in the 60s. It was night and day.

      I've also noticed better real assignment AI by all blockers. That is why In FistofRage's slider thread most guys are having an easier time running the ball. I was really upset when the DB glitch was not addressed, but I've learned to deal with it.
      Last edited by Sundown2600; 10-28-2012, 07:33 PM.

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      • carnalnirvana
        Pro
        • Jan 2007
        • 1981

        #4
        Re: This game is so close to greatness now.

        i am going to try some sliders again because it may be only me.....

        i have this game on the brink of playing well EXCEPT for the AI playcallng....


        as i have said in countless threads the cpu playcalling is dog*&^(...

        every single third and long they call 4 verts, and force a jumpball.....EVERY DAMN TIME, no matter if its USC or Colorado state.....no matter if its a freshman or redshirt senior at QB...

        i play on AA, i dont believe hesman changes playcalling but i will try
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        • GruffyMcGuiness
          Rise up!
          • Mar 2012
          • 1354

          #5
          Re: This game is so close to greatness now.

          TLDR but this game is far from perfect. Heisman is too BSie and AA is too easy. Game just doesn't seem realistic enough. Needs to be more like All Pro which is like 5 years old... Heisman makes my guys forget what man coverage is and their pocket passers somehow break 3 tackles before going down.
          Last edited by GruffyMcGuiness; 10-28-2012, 10:24 PM.

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          • Hornguy105
            Rookie
            • Jul 2012
            • 51

            #6
            Re: This game is so close to greatness now.

            I don't know what you guys are talking about the CPU play calling is amazing now, for example I was playing Nebraska and it was 3 and 6 so I was expecting somthing in the air but they call a HB Draw. It completely caught me off guard. I've been getting drove down field constantly, but maybe my defense just sucks.

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            • ucas005
              Pro
              • Jul 2006
              • 505

              #7
              Re: This game is so close to greatness now.

              Until safety bug is fixed I can't agree ... or play this game.

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              • mjwickstrom1
                Rookie
                • Jun 2008
                • 156

                #8
                Re: This game is so close to greatness now.

                Blocking still needs a lot of improvement imo. CPU coverages, especialyl safeties, seem a lot better in the most recent patch though.
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                • CrimsontideuA
                  Rookie
                  • Jul 2010
                  • 181

                  #9
                  Re: This game is so close to greatness now.

                  The game feels pretty good, but I'm note sure about greatness. Small things take from the game but overall its better. The no huddle is fixed.
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                  • Gap Integrity
                    Pro
                    • Sep 2011
                    • 853

                    #10
                    Re: This game is so close to greatness now.

                    I agree with jfsolo, The safety glitch isn't a huge problem with good sliders. If you don't have enough time to throw the ball deep, it doesn't effect the game. Besides, broken coverage happens in real football. In every college game there is bound to be missed coverage assignments. If it really bugs you, play as a safety or middle safety in a 4-2-5 look.
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                    • Gap Integrity
                      Pro
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 853

                      #11
                      Re: This game is so close to greatness now.

                      Originally posted by CrimsontideuA
                      The game feels pretty good, but I'm note sure about greatness. Small things take from the game but overall its better. The no huddle is fixed.
                      As far as greatness goes, I think the small things need to be in the game to achieve this. Better and more player models, more equipment options, duplicate jersey numbers, 85 man rosters and fixed blocking interactions would be a huge step in the direction of greatness. Could it be done next year, absolutely.... Will it... I wouldn't count on it.
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                      • PatriotJames
                        Banned
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 1204

                        #12
                        Re: This game is so close to greatness now.

                        Definitely the most fun I've had with an NCAA football game on this gen. It definitely could use some more tweaking and additions but I'm much happier after this last patch. Madden sucks too so it probably makes the game seem even better.

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                        • btoner43
                          Rookie
                          • Jun 2003
                          • 61

                          #13
                          Re: This game is so close to greatness now.

                          I love this game. I tried again last night to play Madden but after playing 2 seasons on Heisman, I couldn't get through a single game. I took it out of my playstation, gave it to my son, and put NCAA back in.

                          I agree that it is close to greatness, or a lot closer than Madden is. I guess I don't notice the safety glitch because I'm too busy trying to get the ball out quick before I get sacked.

                          As a high school coach I can say that this is as close to the real thing than anything I have played in a long time.

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                          • Deegeezy
                            All Star
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 5265

                            #14
                            Re: This game is so close to greatness now.

                            It seems like the overall difficulty of the game has increased, which I love.
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                            • tyberious4now
                              Tiger Paw
                              • Nov 2004
                              • 753

                              #15
                              Re: This game is so close to greatness now.

                              Originally posted by Deegeezy
                              It seems like the overall difficulty of the game has increased, which I love.
                              I'm with you this game is the bomb....The increase difficulty has made this game almost perfect for me...with the sliders I play with I see no safety glitch at all....

                              Good job EA!!

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