Motion Snap... Is it Cheese?

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  • cgalligan
    MVP
    • Mar 2005
    • 1675

    #1

    Motion Snap... Is it Cheese?

    The question came up in a league that I'm in.

    Is it cheese to Manually Motion a WR, then snap the ball before he comes set?

    Example:
    1. motioning a WR and snaping the ball when he is near the A gap to get extra blocking

    2. motioning a WR to get a "free release" off the line

    3. motioning the WR then snapping to get one specific animation that makes the CB have a brain fart...

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    I say, its lame and always has been...

    What are your thoughts?
    43
    Yes - motion snapping takes advantage of the Ai and is cheese
    0%
    17
    No - motion snapping is not cheese
    0%
    26

    The poll is expired.

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  • Finren84
    Rookie
    • Oct 2012
    • 62

    #2
    Re: Motion Snap... Is it Cheese?

    I wouldn't say is cheese. You have a lot of motion in football so that the WR can get a free release. You also see receivers stop at the end of a tight end to help run block on the strong side. You don't see WR really help blocking between the tackles, but you do see tight ends do it all the time. I will motion a TE and snap between the TE and tackle on two TE sets. When I motion WR I do wait until they are reset. Just cause that's how my league is played

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    • californ14
      Banned
      • Oct 2012
      • 473

      #3
      Re: Motion Snap... Is it Cheese?

      When considering the AI/logic in the game, I would call it cheese....

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      • MRTZL20
        Rookie
        • May 2012
        • 41

        #4
        Re: Motion Snap... Is it Cheese?

        Motioning to the A Gap: Yes, cheese.

        Motioning to get a free release: No, happens on Saturday and Sunday all the time.

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        • Finren84
          Rookie
          • Oct 2012
          • 62

          #5
          Re: Motion Snap... Is it Cheese?

          I did meant to say that motion inside tackle box is cheese. Outside of tight end is not. See it week in and week out.

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          • californ14
            Banned
            • Oct 2012
            • 473

            #6
            Re: Motion Snap... Is it Cheese?

            I see it more as, whether or not the action is taking advantage of the AI/logic limits....

            We see seam routes in the NFL and NCAA, but no way to the effect that they are run in Madden 13....

            We see teams in the NFL and NCAA go for it on 4th down, but not to the extent that it happens in Madden....

            Same with 2 pt conversions and a number of other plays and decisions being made in Madden.....

            I am not saying people should stop doing seams or 2pt conversions or going for it on 4th down; just sayning there is that fine line between what is done in real life and what may be a little cheesy in the virtual game of a real life game....

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            • ANDROMADA 1
              So long to a Legend.
              • Dec 2008
              • 5024

              #7
              Re: Motion Snap... Is it Cheese?

              Its in the game so its in the game. They should however make it more risky by having a system in place that sometimes makes the player get a false start or illegal motion penalty.

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              • FinnZzgo
                Pro
                • Jun 2009
                • 505

                #8
                Re: Motion Snap... Is it Cheese?

                yes it is cheese...
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                • KBLover
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 12172

                  #9
                  Re: Motion Snap... Is it Cheese?

                  Originally posted by cgalligan

                  Example:
                  1. motioning a WR and snaping the ball when he is near the A gap to get extra blocking

                  2. motioning a WR to get a "free release" off the line

                  3. motioning the WR then snapping to get one specific animation that makes the CB have a brain fart...
                  My thoughts:

                  1. Why is WR blocking inside even effective? That would be the bigger issue, imo.

                  2. Isn't that part of the point of motion, to get a WR a "moving start"? Another reason is trying to get extra info on man or zone, or to create a different sort of grouping - like motioning into or out of a bunch formation.

                  3. Another EA issue.


                  So, I guess my stance is that if it is cheese - it's because EA dropped the ball, so to speak, but not because it's unrealistic football.
                  "Some people call it butterflies, but to him, it probably feels like pterodactyls in his stomach." --Plesac in MLB18

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                  • KBLover
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 12172

                    #10
                    Re: Motion Snap... Is it Cheese?

                    Originally posted by californ14
                    I am not saying people should stop doing seams or 2pt conversions or going for it on 4th down; just sayning there is that fine line between what is done in real life and what may be a little cheesy in the virtual game of a real life game....
                    And that's where EA needs to step up and make the game more real instead of having to "ban" things or talk cheese.

                    Especially, when it's something as realistic as WR motion. Personally, I think being able to stop the run out of the Dime is more cheesy (assuming it happens in M13, but it was doable in M12, imo).
                    "Some people call it butterflies, but to him, it probably feels like pterodactyls in his stomach." --Plesac in MLB18

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                    • cgalligan
                      MVP
                      • Mar 2005
                      • 1675

                      #11
                      Re: Motion Snap... Is it Cheese?

                      Originally posted by californ14
                      When considering the AI/logic in the game, I would call it cheese....
                      This is the main issue with the motion snap in my opinion...

                      Its not really a question of whether or not its done in real NCAA and NFL games, because we know it is... We know that NFL team put a guy in motion to help him get a better release off the LOS...

                      The difference however, is that in Real life the CB can still touch the WR and bump him if need be... The OLB could chip him, or something... In Madden, it seems like Manually Motioned WR's get a speed boost when the ball is snapped, and it causes the defense to go into "******" mode ((no offense to anyone who is really ********, just a term))

                      So yeah, THAT is the question... IN MADDEN does it create AI Issues with the Defense?... Not, does it happen in real life, because we all know it does
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                      • cgalligan
                        MVP
                        • Mar 2005
                        • 1675

                        #12
                        Re: Motion Snap... Is it Cheese?

                        Originally posted by KBLover
                        My thoughts:

                        1. Why is WR blocking inside even effective? That would be the bigger issue, imo.

                        2. Isn't that part of the point of motion, to get a WR a "moving start"? Another reason is trying to get extra info on man or zone, or to create a different sort of grouping - like motioning into or out of a bunch formation.

                        3. Another EA issue.


                        So, I guess my stance is that if it is cheese - it's because EA dropped the ball, so to speak, but not because it's unrealistic football.
                        See my previous post.

                        I totally agree with what you said though, its not "cheese" in real life because real life Human Beings are AWARE and understand real life football... These "Madden" CB's? Not so much lol
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                        • californ14
                          Banned
                          • Oct 2012
                          • 473

                          #13
                          Re: Motion Snap... Is it Cheese?

                          In real Life ----This episode of Inside the NFL....

                          Game Day, sometime in the future: Green Bay Packers v. Detroit Lions....

                          Lions offense in the Huddle....QB Stafford looks toward WR C.Johnson....


                          Stafford says, "Megatron, I want you to go in motion, snap on 19, just as you reach the 1 hole, I want you to crash into the line and power block BJ Raji."

                          Megatron replies, "Like hell I am..."

                          Needless to say, the Lions choose a different play....Packers win....

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                          • Ueauvan
                            MVP
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 1625

                            #14
                            Re: Motion Snap... Is it Cheese?

                            i motion and snap outside the tackles for wr. id love to do it in the a gap but from broadcast it aint easy with timing.
                            frankly id do anything to get a run game going. im the 9ers and frank after 12 games has 900 yards. im still power run and roughly 52% run atts. he gets stuffed on nearly all plays despite a good run oline and te/fb blocking. i use both tes and fbs i have to help the hb.

                            this is all pro with default sliders/penalties and playing purely coach mode

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                            • thbends
                              Pro
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 675

                              #15
                              Re: Motion Snap... Is it Cheese?

                              Cowboys motion a TE to block in the gaps at times.
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