Teams releasing star players and other strange stories

[pinksheets]

Re: Teams releasing star players and other strange stories

I feel this has a lot to do with new coaches taking over, changing schemes, and the star players not fitting their schemes.

Yeah, "schemes" are a good idea, but they aren't being implemented perfectly, and in cases like this, it's a bit of nonsense.

I can see a guy like Aso hitting FA as a cap casualty, but when it comes to say Suh or Miller, these are guys that any system can work with simply because of their talent level. I'd like to see top notch 4-3 DEs get a shot at OLB if a coach that runs a 3-4 takes over, or for the ratings to make it clear to the AI that a guy like Suh is going to be worth using in just about any system. Miller makes the least amount of sense considering he can absolutely play DE and OLB.

Hopefully they can keep improving schemes and building on it rather than scrapping it, and this would be a big step forward.

If a star player is going to get released for scheme issues or for the cap, it should be a storyline and commented on a lot by the twitter dudes. I would also like some of these really bold decisions where a franchise level player is cut to maybe put more pressure on the coach that makes that decision, ie make it easier to get on the hot seat or fired.

[steelsnarf]

Re: Teams releasing star players and other strange stories

Yeah, "schemes" are a good idea, but they aren't being implemented perfectly, and in cases like this, it's a bit of nonsense.

I can see a guy like Aso hitting FA as a cap casualty, but when it comes to say Suh or Miller, these are guys that any system can work with simply because of their talent level. I'd like to see top notch 4-3 DEs get a shot at OLB if a coach that runs a 3-4 takes over, or for the ratings to make it clear to the AI that a guy like Suh is going to be worth using in just about any system. Miller makes the least amount of sense considering he can absolutely play DE and OLB.

Hopefully they can keep improving schemes and building on it rather than scrapping it, and this would be a big step forward.

If a star player is going to get released for scheme issues or for the cap, it should be a storyline and commented on a lot by the twitter dudes. I would also like some of these really bold decisions where a franchise level player is cut to maybe put more pressure on the coach that makes that decision, ie make it easier to get on the hot seat or fired.

I just checked my CCM and Kansas City picked him up. I really don't know how that would work considering he's not a nose tackle. Unless they switched coaches it doesn't make much sense.

[SloeyEZ]

Re: Teams releasing star players and other strange stories

Yeah, "schemes" are a good idea, but they aren't being implemented perfectly, and in cases like this, it's a bit of nonsense.

I can see a guy like Aso hitting FA as a cap casualty, but when it comes to say Suh or Miller, these are guys that any system can work with simply because of their talent level. I'd like to see top notch 4-3 DEs get a shot at OLB if a coach that runs a 3-4 takes over, or for the ratings to make it clear to the AI that a guy like Suh is going to be worth using in just about any system. Miller makes the least amount of sense considering he can absolutely play DE and OLB.

Hopefully they can keep improving schemes and building on it rather than scrapping it, and this would be a big step forward.

If a star player is going to get released for scheme issues or for the cap, it should be a storyline and commented on a lot by the twitter dudes. I would also like some of these really bold decisions where a franchise level player is cut to maybe put more pressure on the coach that makes that decision, ie make it easier to get on the hot seat or fired.

Again, can someone verify if his contract was up? It may have been Suh's decision not to play for the Lions any more.

[SloeyEZ]

Re: Teams releasing star players and other strange stories

I just checked my CCM and Kansas City picked him up. I really don't know how that would work considering he's not a nose tackle. Unless they switched coaches it doesn't make much sense.

Okay but that sorta proves the point that a team will pick up a player who doesn't fit their scheme just because of their talent. This to me seems to indicate the game considers both talent and scheme... I think you just called this good AI without meaning too

[Drtro]

Re: Teams releasing star players and other strange stories

I find it reasonable for teams to release old players for a rookie even if they have a 90 rating or whatever. Only thing that frustrates me is seeing Matt Ryan in the FA after the first/second year.

[SloeyEZ]

Re: Teams releasing star players and other strange stories

I find it reasonable for teams to release old players for a rookie even if they have a 90 rating or whatever. Only thing that frustrates me is seeing Matt Ryan in the FA after the first/second year.

If I took over the Falcons, first thing I would do is get a new stud RB and dump (well, okay, I wouldn't dump I'd try and get some 1st rounders for him but if no one would trade then) him.

Personally, I'm not a fan of Ryan, Flacco, Alex Smith, Weeden, and others and if I took over their team, would not have any problem getting rid of these "star" players. Just from the things I'm hearing in this thread, sounds like the AI is doing things pretty unusual, arbitrary, and thus, life-like.

There are repetitive, scripted events, don't get me wrong, and I don't like them, like Shockey being signed by Raiders, Farrior to Carolina, but like I said, the evidence in this thread alone seems to point to a pretty fluid AI.

[Champion8877]

Re: Teams releasing star players and other strange stories

In my CCM both Percy Harvin and Suh got released by their teams. So I just made up a story in my head that Suh stomped on another player again and had too many unsportsmanlike plays and the Lions got fed up with him. And Percy got more migraines and couldn't stay on the field. It isn't uncommon to see some big name players being cut, traded, or not resigned. But some things are unrealistic. Like Matt Ryan entering free agency and not resigning with ATL, I doubt that would ever happen.

[steelsnarf]

Re: Teams releasing star players and other strange stories

Okay but that sorta proves the point that a team will pick up a player who doesn't fit their scheme just because of their talent. This to me seems to indicate the game considers both talent and scheme... I think you just called this good AI without meaning too

Touche good sir, touche.

Then again the Chiefs went 4-12 and had the first draft pick so chances are they did in fact get a new coach. I could be wrong though.

[Drtro]

Re: Teams releasing star players and other strange stories

If I took over the Falcons, first thing I would do is get a new stud RB and dump (well, okay, I wouldn't dump I'd try and get some 1st rounders for him but if no one would trade then) him.

Personally, I'm not a fan of Ryan, Flacco, Alex Smith, Weeden, and others and if I took over their team, would not have any problem getting rid of these "star" players. Just from the things I'm hearing in this thread, sounds like the AI is doing things pretty unusual, arbitrary, and thus, life-like.

There are repetitive, scripted events, don't get me wrong, and I don't like them, like Shockey being signed by Raiders, Farrior to Carolina, but like I said, the evidence in this thread alone seems to point to a pretty fluid AI.

I don't see why anyone would trade Ryan unless you're a cheeser trading players for 1st rounders...

If I wanted to start a CCM with a team I want a new QB, I'd go with the Broncos, Saints, Cardinals, Jaguars, or Jets.

[SloeyEZ]

Re: Teams releasing star players and other strange stories

I don't see why anyone would trade Ryan unless you're a cheeser trading players for 1st rounders...

If I wanted to start a CCM with a team I want a new QB, I'd go with the Broncos, Saints, Cardinals, Jaguars, or Jets.

But that's your opinion of Ryan, mine is different which is my whole point on both human and ai decisions. Every one is different and sees things differently.

Releasing Matt Ryan to FA instead of trading him, may be done for the big picture down the road especially for salary cap issues. maybe he just pissed off the coach and the coach is making decisions with his heart instead of his mind. maybe they know that there is qb in the draft they want to pick up and insert right away and they dont wan a qb controversy. maybe they hope to pick up ryan later if no one picks him up. maybe he is injury prone? i will often trade/drop players who are injury prone because i value consistency over higher performance occasionally.

my point is there are a million reasons to do anything, and i believe the fact that we are seeing ryan being dropped for no apparent reason is a positive sign of ai, not negative just because "you" would never drop ryan.

how many playoff games has Ryan won... maybe that's a factor in the decision.

[SuckaRepellent]

I think now it's just my hunch but if you make a weird cut or trade a cpu team will do the same.

I traded Mojo and let Darly Smith walk in my franchise. I noticed Matt Ryan was cut and saw a few other names that weren't there before.

I say before because I didn't save and my franchise froze so I had to redo some moves.

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[car9melo]

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But that's your opinion of Ryan, mine is different which is my whole point on both human and ai decisions. Every one is different and sees things differently.

Releasing Matt Ryan to FA instead of trading him, may be done for the big picture down the road especially for salary cap issues. maybe he just pissed off the coach and the coach is making decisions with his heart instead of his mind. maybe they know that there is qb in the draft they want to pick up and insert right away and they dont wan a qb controversy. maybe they hope to pick up ryan later if no one picks him up. maybe he is injury prone? i will often trade/drop players who are injury prone because i value consistency over higher performance occasionally.

my point is there are a million reasons to do anything, and i believe the fact that we are seeing ryan being dropped for no apparent reason is a positive sign of ai, not negative just because "you" would never drop ryan.

how many playoff games has Ryan won... maybe that's a factor in the decision.

nope in the real world releasing Ryan is never going to happen
quit making excuses for the game
what is happening is unacceptable

[car9melo]

Re: Teams releasing star players and other strange stories

Im really having a hard time understanding how anyone can honestly pretend that this isnt a problem
this does not happen in real life
i can understand if its you as the player making these decisions but not the A.I

[pinksheets]

Re: Teams releasing star players and other strange stories

Well the thing is, if they are going to cut Matt Ryan for cap reasons or for supposedly him not getting along with the coach...make that a storyline then! If that's the best workaround they can pull off, pull it off.

It'd be nice if EA could recognize that some players, especially QBs, are franchise guys that aren't ever going to get released, they'll get franchised if they don't want to re-sign. Make it news. Seeing franchise QBs cut loose or let to walk as often as it happens is not acceptable to me, though.

[DeuceDouglas]

Re: Teams releasing star players and other strange stories

nope in the real world releasing Ryan is never going to happen
quit making excuses for the game
what is happening is unacceptable

Maybe Matt Ryan had been revealed to be involved in a elaborate and extremely profitable offseason cockfighting ring over the last several seasons. Upon knowledge and a thorough investigation by the NFL, Matt Ryan was suspended indefinitely.

However, after an appeal by Matt Ryan's legal staff, it became knowledge that all of Matt Ryan's elicit activities occurred out of the country in a small town in Mexico and thus out of the NFL's jurisdiction and the suspension was subsequently lifted.

The Falcons, knowing they can't suffer the brunt of another animal cruelty related dilemma make it immediately known that they will not tolerate anybody involved with such a heinous act and release Matt Ryan just minutes after it's ruled that his suspension has been lifted making him a free agent.