I am aware of 2k12 servers being shut down -- I was just trying to point out that up until November 1, I could access 2k servers for 2k12 but NOT 2k13 for Xbox. I still can't access 2k13 for Xbox so I've just decided to sell my Xbox version and keep the PS3. My hope was that there would be some better retro edited rosters to the Xbox version but it sounds like they may not reach the level of 2k12 due to tighter controls by 2k. Accordingly, I'll just get my retro fix with 2k12 on the Xbox.