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**BailsoHard** · 11-23-2012, 06:58 PM

Re: KBLover's Experimental Madden 13 Sliders

Can't wait to try these out! Finding a good slider set for me has been difficult this year it seems.

**GMAB8** · 11-28-2012, 12:07 PM

Re: KBLover's Experimental Madden 13 Sliders

How are you liking the fatigue at 35 and injury at 70? I am trying to find a good setting between these 2 sliders. I want more injuries but would like to have subs come in at certain positions.

I have been following your Oakland dynasty and see that you are getting a fair share of injuries, do you think that you can set the auto subs high enough to get subs at 35 fatigue? Or are they too broken to even mess with? I dont worry about HB splits as I can easily control that on my end with formation subs.

**KBLover** · 11-28-2012, 04:13 PM

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Originally posted by GMAB8

How are you liking the fatigue at 35 and injury at 70? I am trying to find a good setting between these 2 sliders. I want more injuries but would like to have subs come in at certain positions.

I have been following your Oakland dynasty and see that you are getting a fair share of injuries, do you think that you can set the auto subs high enough to get subs at 35 fatigue? Or are they too broken to even mess with? I dont worry about HB splits as I can easily control that on my end with formation subs.

Auto-sub is too broken to screw with, it just doesn't read your settings at all. I have 1/2 subs put in and guys leave in the Red. I have 95/98 for HB, he's playing until Red...95 is nowhere near Red so... I don't see CPU HB sub - but the number of touch is reasonable (high, but reasonable, considering the other way gets too much subbing of WR, DB, OL and LB which...I just can't stand subs being due to fatigue at those positions)

That said, it's impacting enough to cause issues later in the game. Your guys can still tire out, start flubbing plays, missing tackles, etc. So don't sleep on ball control, etc.

I actually turned injuries up (to 75). I need to update these, I made a few changes to try to get the games more "low scoring" (i.e. closer to typical NFL games), and just finished a hard-hitting game and I loved playing.

But, yeah, I'm loving the injuries. Oakland is full of paper tigers so my squad should be getting wracked with injuries of varying degrees. How Denarius Moore has avoided injury with how much I use him, I don't know. *knocks wood*

**KBLover** · 11-28-2012, 04:25 PM

Re: KBLover's Experimental Madden 13 Sliders

Changes and reasoning (both sides unless otherwise stated):

Offsides from 100 to 50 - First of all, never once saw an offsides on 100. Just that "jumping" stuff...would be nice if they put in the "defender made the offense move" rule in...then maybe I would have left it...but given that and the "side effect" of it making defensive players overpower the offensive block more easily, I put it on 50.

Threshold from 0 to 75 - sounds like a huge jump, but, at least on Slow, there's no major difference. I've pulled away from slower guys, etc...it seems to matter more in close quarters, and seems to maybe have helped blocking...though not certain on that...and less likely to escape clean through small spaces.

Run blocking from 50 to 30 - was getting too many big runs and the defense not getting to show their BSH ratings very well as well as differences in RBK ability.

Fumbles from 25 to 35 - too many fumbles before...this should tone it down some.

INTs from 15 to 10 - too many INTs too, leading to too many turnovers. 1-2 turnovers per game is about average, and should fluctuate based on ability. I.E. Fumbles lost + INTs. Would rather a few more INTs than fumbles, but given how the fumble slider works (not just fumbles but tackle chances/power) I might just have to deal...

Pass Rush to 34 for User, 40 to CPU - trying to even out sacks and pressures. CPU seems to hold the ball a lot, leading to some sacks, but otherwise, it seems okay for now. I find I'm hurried and have taken sacks/had to throw it away - may go up again on CPU a few more points

Run Reaction from 15 to 20 - trying to let PUR, PRC, AWR show up and also contain longer runs, especially to the outside. However, if the back gets into open field, still can be dangerous - should just be better able to prevent it now and swarm to the ball if the back has to hesitate.

Block Shed from 10 to 0 - not needed with the lower run block and higher reaction, finding that high BSH players are getting it done. Low BSH players are inconsistent in their play.

Tackling from 50 to 55 - hate seeing high TAK players missing tackles. In the real game, elite tacklers very rarely miss tackles. It's the average types (or worse) that mess up often. I see that. Huff and the like will miss and get slipped by, but McClain is money on his tackles. He has a 93 TAK, so that sounds very realistic. It also makes backs who break tackles do less outright breaking (though it happens still, especially against those average types) but more falling forward through contact for a few more yards.

**broken580** · 12-01-2012, 12:49 AM

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o the site...at least when it comes to posting.
Been reading and learning about madden sliders for 2 years now.

I have plenty of theory's and ideas... but I like madden 13s potential. So I've decided to become apart of the slider testing...and hopefully figure out how sliders work exactly.

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**KBLover** · 12-01-2012, 01:23 AM

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I want to make some changes - though I'm in a quandry that I'm trying to find a way out of.

QB Acc for the CPU needs to go up - Philip Rivers only hit 50% of his passes in the last game played - that's not good enough, even if the Raiders were playing decent coverage that day. Tried 30 in that game, and will walk it up some more.

I'm also thinking INTs to 10 for the User may have been too much. Might go back to 15, but then I'd need to lower either pass rush or pass reaction.

If I lower pass reaction - coverage might get better (slider appears reversed), that plus the higher INTs might make the INTs go up. Also liking the 25 - I'm seeing a difference in coverage ability, especially in man-to-man coverage. Whenever the CPU finds separation vs man, it's a weaker man cover defender - either a LB (especially vs TEs - TEs simply gash my defense right now), or a safety in man (though Raiders have Branch, that's rated 88 MCV and 80 ZCV).

If I lower pass rush, I don't want it to become anemic. I may try it, though in preseason...especially since I don't want to touch pass reaction. I feel that's pretty solid in terms of quality of coverage on both sides.

Will try in preseason and see...

**GMAB8** · 12-01-2012, 11:36 AM

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If you want CPU passing to be better raise your user pass react(reversed slider). Probably raise their acc also a bit, however I know you are working on having lower scoring battles so that may cause them to gash you a bit more. But the better QBs should have games where they are deadly. I have found a decent pass rush even with 0 pass rush against 30 pass block(Jarrod blue). Something like 40-15-20 for user pass d? Find what works for you though, as I enjoy reading your dynasty thread.

**KBLover** · 12-01-2012, 11:59 AM

Re: KBLover's Experimental Madden 13 Sliders

Originally posted by GMAB8

If you want CPU passing to be better raise your user pass react(reversed slider). Probably raise their acc also a bit, however I know you are working on having lower scoring battles so that may cause them to gash you a bit more. But the better QBs should have games where they are deadly. I have found a decent pass rush even with 0 pass rush against 30 pass block(Jarrod blue). Something like 40-15-20 for user pass d? Find what works for you though, as I enjoy reading your dynasty thread.

Yeah, I do want lower scoring - but I'd like the CPU QB's to play as they should. I loved every part of that 20-3 loss to the Chargers except, a) I lost, and b) Rivers' 50%

I think what I want to avoid is having lots of deep pass big plays. Once in a while, sure - happens all the time, but I just worry about the DBs getting "lost" too much and then someone's 20 yards behind them when they should have been in a deep thirds zone. (Which actually happened in 25 once, Bartell some kind of way got "flustered" or got epilepsy on his way back to his zone, sorta like turned and ran towards someone else's zone for a second and Huff was like WTF and tried to get there but nope, too late).

I think I'll walk it up to 35 and see for the preseason. Go 35-15-25 for the User and see, that's close to what you suggested actually. Great minds.

Move QB Acc to 35 as well and run it for the preseason and decide then.

**Sturzinator** · 12-01-2012, 02:38 PM

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Hey KB,

I was looking over your dynasty thread and it looks like you're having some good games. With that in mind, I have started to experiment with some of your slider settings, particularly those pertaining to the run game.

Could you indulge me with a few questions regarding your play style?

1. Do you use pass/run commit?
2. Do you use hot routes?

I assume you are using default settings for the auto-subs. With the 35 fatigue, are you seeing subs/rotation at RB,DE,DT, and the occasional WR? I noticed from some of your box scores, there were carries for your #2 RB, but I wasn't sure whether that was auto-sub driven or user selected.

Many thanks for the info.

**KBLover** · 12-01-2012, 06:07 PM

Re: KBLover's Experimental Madden 13 Sliders

Originally posted by Sturzinator

Hey KB,

I was looking over your dynasty thread and it looks like you're having some good games. With that in mind, I have started to experiment with some of your slider settings, particularly those pertaining to the run game.

Could you indulge me with a few questions regarding your play style?

1. Do you use pass/run commit?
2. Do you use hot routes?

I assume you are using default settings for the auto-subs. With the 35 fatigue, are you seeing subs/rotation at RB,DE,DT, and the occasional WR? I noticed from some of your box scores, there were carries for your #2 RB, but I wasn't sure whether that was auto-sub driven or user selected.

Many thanks for the info.

1. No run/pass commit on my end. Not sure if the CPU uses it or not. Anyone know?

2. No hot routes. I try to call plays that always give me an outlet receiver and one short route for decent yardage. If I anticipate/read blitz (like I see the coverage rolling to a side), then I'll read short and try to get the ball out fast. Otherwise, I try to get out of the pocket and throw it away (or look to escape as Pryor). Or if my protection holds and I see an opening for a deeper rout (like a deep in or if I let a slant extend, the WR will be near a window), I'll try to buy time, roll towards the window and hope the WR meets me there - and if not, it's a safe place to dump the ball.

At 35 fatigue, no subs for WR/RB/DL...that's the down side. Granted, I don't think WR sub for fatigue much in the real game, but RB does can DL can, depending on the system (some teams rotate, some teams package sub, some teams run the starting 3 or 4 ragged). However, on higher, I see the OL, LB, DB, and WR's sub too much for my liking and based on the snap count stats I can find. It's the trade off I choose.

Actually, DL CAN sub if their STA is low enough. I have a rookie DE (Quinterrius Fields...what a name) has bad stamina and I saw him come out during half of the preseason game I played.

I don't use the defaults, but I see no impact from them (I think the game is just using the default and not reading what I input from my CCM/Profile), so I didn't bother to list them. I'd rather return to my 100 fatigue settings of last year, but alas...

I use a different 3rd down HB and have used package subs (which DO stick, I've heard formations subs do NOT stick) to try to mix it up or in formations that could use more of a pass catcher (Ivory is a lot of things...a good receiver is not one of them), and sometimes I run out of the formation.

**Sturzinator** · 12-01-2012, 06:42 PM

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I have a auto-sub set I've been using that has worked out pretty well, considering it is still broken in CCM. Descent rotation at DE,DT. Don't get much at RB, as AP is Mr. Stamina. I do get a WR now and again. I think they do come off the field on rare occasion (long receptions and/or running several successive deep routes) and this is what I was trying to simulate.

DBs, OL, and LBs generally stay on the field, but do sub out in rare circumstances.

I did get my RT subbing out on longer drives but upping his stamina w/ XP seemed to solve it rather quickly.

I like the rotation at DL as it forces you to carry some depth at those positions on your roster. Hopefully they will patch this, as a properly functioning auto-sub really makes the game more enjoyable.

The tackling at 55 has its landmine moments, but generally it plays out better than I would have anticipated. You have a nice set going here...

**KBLover** · 12-02-2012, 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by Sturzinator

I like the rotation at DL as it forces you to carry some depth at those positions on your roster. Hopefully they will patch this, as a properly functioning auto-sub really makes the game more enjoyable.

One thing that might be worth trying is scaling STA.

For positions that sub a lot, edit them down in STA - so the max STA for a HB might be 80, but for an OL, they can go up to 99.

Same defensively. DB's LBs should get higher stamina, but DL might cap at 75 or 80 so they sub. Maybe even 65 or 70.

Would be a ton of work though and might not work for rookies coming in and the ability to "buy" stamina with XP

, though like I said I got a DE with 65 so...

**SJHalt621** · 12-02-2012, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by KBLover

One thing that might be worth trying is scaling STA.

For positions that sub a lot, edit them down in STA - so the max STA for a HB might be 80, but for an OL, they can go up to 99.

Same defensively. DB's LBs should get higher stamina, but DL might cap at 75 or 80 so they sub. Maybe even 65 or 70.

Would be a ton of work though and might not work for rookies coming in and the ability to "buy" stamina with XP

, though like I said I got a DE with 65 so...

Does the editor work for Madden 13 that worked for Madden 12?

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**KBLover** · 12-02-2012, 05:48 PM

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Originally posted by SJHalt621

Does the editor work for Madden 13 that worked for Madden 12?

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I think you can edit outside of CCM (go to My Madden?), save that roster, then use it to start a new CCM career.

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