Loaning out high potential Youth - What's the trick?

[Gnemi]

I have like 3-4 recently promoted academy players, all 17-19 years of age, mid to high 60's in OVR, and I cannot for the life of me get a loan offer from another club.

They've been listed for Loan for two seasons now and I can't get them enough playing time, yet no offers are coming in.

It was bad last year, too, but 13 seems even worse.

Any ideas here? I play them occasionally, but they're really crappy and won't get better unless they play. It's incredibly frustrating because they SHOULD get better (reserve matches, training, etc.) without either playing them in the first team or loaning them out. However, since EA seems to think that's how progression mechanics should work, I am forced to loan them out.

Ugh.

[Hutton]

Re: Loaning out high potential Youth - What's the trick?

I've had success with playing a player that I wanted to loan out for a few matches and then listing him for loan, with offers following shortly thereafter.

[bigh0rt]

Re: Loaning out high potential Youth - What's the trick?

I've found more success listing them for Short Term rather than Season Loans, and trying to make sure they start and play Friendlies and are on the first team and getting minutes when I'm up over the latter 20 - 30 minutes of matches. There's still a player here or there who won't get offers, but for the most part I'm able to get players I want loaned out, at least short term.

[Gnemi]

Re: Loaning out high potential Youth - What's the trick?

Whatever the case, it seems rather tedious and unfortunate that loaning out players requires any of this manipulation of the game.

[HoldxMyxDrank]

Re: Loaning out high potential Youth - What's the trick?

Don't feel bad, I have 4 players between the age 16-17 at 70 ovr or better and no loan offers no matter what "tricks" I try. At the start of this season I got ONE loan offer for a just-promoted player who's 66 ovr, and it was from Liverpool of all places...like he'll get playing time there lol.

[Gnemi]

Re: Loaning out high potential Youth - What's the trick?

Yeah, I can't help it, this infuriates me because it just comes across as sheer laziness on the part of EA.

You spend all this time developing talented youth and they come out of the academy with a lot of promise but a still not quite first team OVR and you're forced to keep them on your bench where they'll wilt away their potential or pray that the weak loan mechanics will favor you with one of these incredibly rare loan offers.

I simmed the transfer window about 40 times and got ONE loan offer, for a CB with an overall of 69. By AC Milan. Yeah, that's realistic. zzzzzzzz

[HoldxMyxDrank]

Re: Loaning out high potential Youth - What's the trick?

Even though I hate to be "cheap" so to speak, my only workaround to find myself enjoying manager mode anymore is to use custom squads. Put one high-profile player on a lower league team I want to play (like Aguero/Benzema/Ozil/etc) because you always get high offers first transfer window.

Then I'll just use the 30-40 mill I get from that sale to hire scouts at my disposal and I'll start replacing older low-quality players from the low-league team with my promoted youth. That way I'll actually be playing those youths and in 2-3 seasons I could be in div 1 with a formidable team that's all from scouting lol.

I just got tired of buying all the best young players I could afford at the beginning of every season after the 3rd or 4th go around.

[Brahvocado]

Re: Loaning out high potential Youth - What's the trick?

Even though I hate to be "cheap" so to speak, my only workaround to find myself enjoying manager mode anymore is to use custom squads. Put one high-profile player on a lower league team I want to play (like Aguero/Benzema/Ozil/etc) because you always get high offers first transfer window.

Then I'll just use the 30-40 mill I get from that sale to hire scouts at my disposal and I'll start replacing older low-quality players from the low-league team with my promoted youth. That way I'll actually be playing those youths and in 2-3 seasons I could be in div 1 with a formidable team that's all from scouting lol.

I just got tired of buying all the best young players I could afford at the beginning of every season after the 3rd or 4th go around.

I do this exact thing as well, it's actually a lot of fun. I usually use Benzema since he always gets sold anyways

[DemiGodzillla]

Re: Loaning out high potential Youth - What's the trick?

Yeah, I can't help it, this infuriates me because it just comes across as sheer laziness on the part of EA.

You spend all this time developing talented youth and they come out of the academy with a lot of promise but a still not quite first team OVR and you're forced to keep them on your bench where they'll wilt away their potential or pray that the weak loan mechanics will favor you with one of these incredibly rare loan offers.

I simmed the transfer window about 40 times and got ONE loan offer, for a CB with an overall of 69. By AC Milan. Yeah, that's realistic. zzzzzzzz

Just play them in the preseason games, every year at the beginning of the season I take the 5-6 players I'm selling/loaning out and play them in the pre season games, by the 3rd game I've usually gotten offers for all of them, and they're almost always all out by the time the season starts.

It's harder to loan out players who join you in the same window, but it still works pretty efficiently I've found. The longer a player is on the transfer list the more offers you seem to get also, if I have a player left from summer who I leave on the loan list all the way until January I usually get an offer for them in the first week of the winter window, but if you take the player off the loan list after the winter window and put them back on when January comes around you'll have to wait longer into the January window for offers.

[bigh0rt]

Re: Loaning out high potential Youth - What's the trick?

Just play them in the preseason games, every year at the beginning of the season I take the 4-5 players I'm selling/loaning out and play them in the pre season games, by the 3rd game I've usually gotten offers for all of them, and they're almost always all out by the time the season starts.

I think this makes a really big difference, as I do it as well. I start them and play them the full game. As I said previously, I rarely have trouble Loaning players out after this. I do, however, sometimes lose the Friendlies as a result. Oh well. Worth it to get my youngsters regular playing time. I've loaned all over the place, to all leagues and levels, including the MLS.

[HoldxMyxDrank]

Re: Loaning out high potential Youth - What's the trick?

Just play them in the preseason games, every year at the beginning of the season I take the 5-6 players I'm selling/loaning out and play them in the pre season games, by the 3rd game I've usually gotten offers for all of them, and they're almost always all out by the time the season starts.

It's harder to loan out players who join you in the same window, but it still works pretty efficiently I've found. The longer a player is on the transfer list the more offers you seem to get also, if I have a player left from summer who I leave on the loan list all the way until January I usually get an offer for them in the first week of the winter window.

I've tried everything in the book, and on this last play I've done as Chelsea I'm on my 4th season and I have 4 really good youths that just won't get offers for 3 whole transfer windows now. The players with faces don't have problems getting offers (Ake/Lukaku/McEachran/etc) but when it comes to the promoted youth players I can never get offers for the ones I actually want to loan out.

I even play them as much as humanly possible, any team in the BPL ranked about 12th or lower I throw 2-3 of them in the starting 11. But with my starting 11 all being 82 ovr or better (as well as my subs) it's hard to actually use them on any important matches unless I decide to play the matches myself.

[Gnemi]

Re: Loaning out high potential Youth - What's the trick?

Yeah, that's a good point.

All of you having success with playing guys in the pre-season before selling/loaning, are you using players out of your Youth Academy in this manner and having success, too?

[bigh0rt]

Re: Loaning out high potential Youth - What's the trick?

I've tried everything in the book, and on this last play I've done as Chelsea I'm on my 4th season and I have 4 really good youths that just won't get offers for 3 whole transfer windows now. The players with faces don't have problems getting offers (Ake/Lukaku/McEachran/etc) but when it comes to the promoted youth players I can never get offers for the ones I actually want to loan out.

I even play them as much as humanly possible, any team in the BPL ranked about 12th or lower I throw 2-3 of them in the starting 11. But with my starting 11 all being 82 ovr or better (as well as my subs) it's hard to actually use them on any important matches unless I decide to play the matches myself.

Yeah, I agree that simming must create problems, as you can't control if/when specific players are subbed in and out. Playing the matches allows you to do that, so I can see this being potentially problematic for you.

Yeah, that's a good point.

All of you having success with playing guys in the pre-season before selling/loaning, are you using players out of your Youth Academy in this manner and having success, too?

I'm approaching the next Transfer window. I'll let you know once I get there.

[HoldxMyxDrank]

Re: Loaning out high potential Youth - What's the trick?

Yeah, I agree that simming must create problems, as you can't control if/when specific players are subbed in and out. Playing the matches allows you to do that, so I can see this being potentially problematic for you.

I do play some matches, but even on legendary with custom sliders/tactics I'll still win 8/10 games or better. But to me manager mode is MANAGER mode, I don't like the idea of playing as any to make my team win lol. Also, even with a 4 min halves it takes a while to go through a whole season playing the majority of the games.

When I do play matches, I usually lock myself to a single player in the back 4 and just manage the tactics so I can actually act like a manager and let my players do the playing like a manager really does lol.

[HoldxMyxDrank]

Re: Loaning out high potential Youth - What's the trick?

I would actually recommend leaving him in there until he is 17, as it seems it is extremely difficult to get teams to take 16 year olds on loan. In fact you won’t be able to loan out a youth player within about half a year to a year after promoting him at all. This is because the game thinks he’s a newly-purchased player, and thinks that you can’t get rid of him after just signing him (even though you only want to loan him). At least if you promote him once he’s 17 there’s a chance you could get a loan deal 6 months after promoting him; this would be extremely hard to do if he was 16.

So here's a little piece of information I found whilst searching the subject of signed youth players earlier. Even though I've still had problems trying to loan players who just turned 17 not long ago, maybe next transfer window I'll have luck.

The guy who posted this guide I read has looked at the code himself and confirmed with others who've seen the game code, that this is the most probable reason for fresh-promoted youth players not getting loan offers.

I'll see if I have any luck in the January transfer window this season since that'll mark about 6-7 months that I've had them on the loan list after they've turned 17.