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  • drog1602
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    • Sep 2011
    • 400

    #1

    A few things you can do to make the game better

    After playing around with the sliders for some time, I have noticed a few things and I hope that these help you out as well.


    To help the Ai with better positioning:
    Turn the Ai Learning slider off 0. This will allow them to play the man more and actually force you outside. I find with this slider on max, that they adjust to more of a box and play less human and allow you to just waltz into the zone too easy.

    Turn OFF strategy adjustments...Turn them OFF! This slider is basically a cheat slider for the comeback logic.
    To help the Ai hitting game and the hitting in general:
    Turn the hitting assistance to max 6 and turn the hitting power to zero. This makes the Ai actually hit more and its easier for players to contact each other, creating a more hockey feeling. Turning the hit power down, turns all these hits into more bumbs and fewer large hits (though you will still see some if the right player is hitting). This also seems to get rid of the over powered hit from behind.

    A couple of other suggestion I have for you. Set your passing accuracy slider to max 6. This will help the Ai be a little more creative and makes for more team play game. To offset, turn your pass reception to zero. I also set my pass speed to 4 so hard passes can bounce and saucer pass speed to zero to allow more chance of interceptions and more realistic play.

    One other thing to note:
    The shot power not only affects the wrist shot, but also the slap shot power. Its more of an overall power setting. Then you can adjust the slap shot power down as well. I prefer to set my shot power on one ( two with my roster edit to adjust down wrist shot ) allow the goalies a better chance to stop slow shots from out far and give out fewer rebounds. I set my slap shot power to max.

    Hope some of this helps you guys, let me know!

    Cheers!

    Here are my current sliders:

    Rules
    Skill: All-star
    Period Length: 12 minutes
    Penalties: Maxed
    Post Whistle Rules : Authentic
    Penalty Time Scaling: 2
    Fighting: 3


    General

    Tuner Set Version: v1.05
    CPU Aid: Casual
    Broken Stick Frequency: 2
    Game Speed: 3
    Attribute Effects: 6
    Fatigue Effect: 4 h/ 4 c
    Fatigue Recovery: 5 / 4
    Injury Occurrence: 5 /5
    Puck Control: 4 /2cpu
    Player Acceleration: 4 Hum / 6 cpu


    AI

    AI Learning: 0
    CPU Difficulty Adjustment: 0
    CPU Strategy Adjustment: 0
    Human Strategy Adjustment: 0
    CPU Face Off Difficulty: 4
    Fight Difficulty: 6
    CPU Penalties: 6
    CPU Teammate Penalties:4


    Passing

    Pass Assist: 0
    Manual Passing: On
    Pass Speed: 4
    Saucer Pass Speed: 0
    Pass Accuracy: 6 / 6
    Pass Reception Ease: 0 / 0
    Pass Interceptions: 2 /2


    Shooting

    Shot Accuracy: 0 , 0
    Shot Power: 2 / 2
    Slap Shot Accuracy: 2 / 2
    Slap Shot Power: 6 / 6
    One-Timer Accuracy: 1 / 1


    Checking

    Hitting Assistance: 6
    Aggression: 4 / 4
    Hitting Power: 0 , 0
    Stick Lift Effectiveness: 3 /3
    Poke Effectiveness: 1 / 1


    Goalies

    Goalie Passing: 3
    Goalie Cover Puck Frequency: 5
    Goalie Screen Effect: 0 / 0
    Goalie Reaction Speed: 0 / 0

    Custom Ai set:

    - I leave the team strategies as they are set for each team
    - NZ - FC slider for each team, set at five (5)
    - Set the PP carry -dump slider to six (6)

    FWD Line 1
    Carry /Dump- 7
    Cycle/Shoot - 4
    Efficiency -10
    Block - 8

    FWD Line 2
    Carry /Dump- 7
    Cycle/Shoot - 4
    Efficiency -10
    Block - 8

    FWD Line 3
    Carry /Dump- 8
    Cycle/Shoot - 5
    Efficiency -10
    Block - 8

    FWD Line 4
    Carry /Dump- 8
    Cycle/Shoot - 6
    Efficiency -10
    Block - 10

    Def Pair 1
    Hold/Pinch - 7
    Cycle/Shoot - 4

    Def Pair 2
    Hold/Pinch - 7
    Cycle/Shoot - 4

    Def Pair 3
    Hold/Pinch - 7
    Cycle/Shoot - 4

    * All goalies had their consistency attribute set at zero (0)
    * All players had wrist shot power lowered by 10pts (NHL/AHL). This was so I could raise the shot speed for slap shots but give the goalies a chance on wrist shots from the side walls or outside the slot.
    * Tuner set 1.05 has the best goalies play, especially on short side shots
    Last edited by drog1602; 06-24-2013, 01:29 PM.
  • Flyersfan75
    Rookie
    • Jan 2010
    • 333

    #2
    Re: A few things you can do to make the game better

    Can you put up your slider set with these adjustments included? Keep in mind i'm using revamped2 roster set.
    Last edited by Flyersfan75; 12-21-2012, 07:15 PM.

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    • Cycloniac
      Man, myth, legend.
      • May 2009
      • 6508

      #3
      Re: A few things you can do to make the game better

      Player acceleration most certainly DOES affect both players with, and without the puck. Feeks terrrible at 6, almost like I'm floating over the ice.

      You don't need to raise hitting assistace to max to have a physical game, trust me. I either have it at 1 or 2, and I've had games where I've thought there was actually too much hitting.
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      • drog1602
        Rookie
        • Sep 2011
        • 400

        #4
        Re: A few things you can do to make the game better

        You do realize that I am talking about the Ai settings? No

        For human, I set my acceleration at 4

        I also don't think there is too much hitting, this is after all hockey. Its about bumping and grinding. But, maybe that is just me.

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        • Cycloniac
          Man, myth, legend.
          • May 2009
          • 6508

          #5
          Re: A few things you can do to make the game better

          Originally posted by drog1602
          You do realize that I am talking about the Ai settings? No

          For human, I set my acceleration at 4

          I also don't think there is too much hitting, this is after all hockey. Its about bumping and grinding. But, maybe that is just me.
          How are your penalties looking?

          And the AI pass percentages, how are they usually (been having an issue with them of late).
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          • drog1602
            Rookie
            • Sep 2011
            • 400

            #6
            Re: A few things you can do to make the game better

            Here is my slider set for Flyersfan:

            Rules
            Skill: All-star
            Period Length: 12 minutes
            Penalties: Maxed
            Post Whistle Rules : Authentic
            Penalty Time Scaling: 2
            Fighting: 3


            General

            Tuner Set Version: latest
            CPU Aid: Hardcore
            Broken Stick Frequency: 2
            Game Speed: 4
            Attribute Effects: 3
            Fatigue Effect: 6 H, 6 c
            Fatigue Recovery: 2 , 2
            Injury Occurrence: 6 , 6
            Puck Control: 0 , 0
            Player Acceleration: 4 Hum, 6 cpu


            AI

            AI Learning: 0
            CPU Difficulty Adjustment: 0
            CPU Strategy Adjustment: 1
            Human Strategy Adjustment: 0 or 1 if you don't want to set it yourself
            CPU Face Off Difficulty: 4
            Fight Difficulty: 6
            CPU Penalties: Maxed
            CPU Teammate Penalties:4


            Passing

            Pass Assist: 2 bump this up by one if you have trouble passing
            Manual Passing: Off
            Pass Speed: 4
            Saucer Pass Speed: 0
            Pass Accuracy: 6 , 6
            Pass Reception Ease: 0 , 0
            Pass Interceptions: 6 , 6


            Shooting

            Shot Accuracy: 0 , 0
            Shot Power: 1, 1
            Slap Shot Accuracy: 2 , 2
            Slap Shot Power: 6 , 6
            One-Timer Accuracy: 0 , 0


            Checking

            Hitting Assistance: 6
            Aggression: 5 , 5
            Hitting Power: 0 , 0
            Stick Lift Effectiveness: 4 , 4
            Poke Effectiveness: 1 hum , 6 cpu ( they only poke on loose pucks)


            Goalies

            Goalie Passing: 1
            Goalie Cover Puck Frequency: 4
            Goalie Screen Effect: 1 , 1
            Goalie Reaction Speed: 2 , 2
            Last edited by drog1602; 01-01-2013, 04:46 PM.

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            • Flyersfan75
              Rookie
              • Jan 2010
              • 333

              #7
              Re: A few things you can do to make the game better

              Thanks greatly appreciated

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              • drog1602
                Rookie
                • Sep 2011
                • 400

                #8
                Re: A few things you can do to make the game better

                The penalties vary from game to game, but I did drop my ai teammate penalty slider as they were taking too many for me and creating an unfair advantage.

                Passing also varies depending on teams but its around 50 -60% most of the time. I find that with the lower passing speed and the increased interceptions level that it offsets the higher passing accuracy and makes a balanced game.

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                • Cycloniac
                  Man, myth, legend.
                  • May 2009
                  • 6508

                  #9
                  Re: A few things you can do to make the game better

                  Originally posted by drog1602
                  The penalties vary from game to game, but I did drop my ai teammate penalty slider as they were taking too many for me and creating an unfair advantage.

                  Passing also varies depending on teams but its around 50 -60% most of the time. I find that with the lower passing speed and the increased interceptions level that it offsets the higher passing accuracy and makes a balanced game
                  .
                  That's actually a really good idea, will test that and see how it goes. 50-60%? Good stuff.
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                  • CelticHeart
                    Banned
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 277

                    #10
                    Re: A few things you can do to make the game better

                    i have made 3 games test....it always cpu around 85% pass percentage....human around 45-48%

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                    • Cycloniac
                      Man, myth, legend.
                      • May 2009
                      • 6508

                      #11
                      Re: A few things you can do to make the game better

                      Originally posted by CelticHeart
                      i have made 3 games test....it always cpu around 85% pass percentage....human around 45-48%
                      That's right. The passing sliders here didn't help at all for me either. With passing speed so slow, the CPU is actually more likely to receive the pass, and the "pass reception ease" slider is nulified.

                      Simply put, the higher passing speed is, the more the pass reception slider works. After all, what is easier: receiving a 90 MPH pass, or a 45 MPH pass?

                      Common sense. ^^

                      Try raising your pass speed sliders and see if that works. If not, decrease CPU pass accuracy.
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                      • drog1602
                        Rookie
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 400

                        #12
                        Re: A few things you can do to make the game better

                        @Cycloniac

                        You were right about the passing speed. I bumped it up to four (4) and I like the way it plays a lot more. You now will see the Ai have a few more missed passes on the long ones as well as really hard passes. I found if you go higher than four that there are then issues when trying to make simple passes to the point or from point to point.

                        I also left the saucer pass speed at zero. The reason for that is typically a person does not put as much on these kinds of passes.

                        Making this passing speed change has really made the game that much better. I would say, that if someone is still having issues completing passes on the human team, to bump up the passing assist slider by one (to 3).

                        As far as the Ai passing numbers, I don't think its accurate anyways and the Ai tend to make a lot of smaller easy passes that the human players does not. I usually judge by how the game plays and you can see them make some mistakes with the new settings, but still play at a pro level.

                        I thought I should give my view on passing, since if you look at my sliders and see my accuracy at max, most might question why and think I like an arcade style game. This is far from the case. I feel though, that in order to replicate NHL or even AHL clubs that the passing needs to be accurate. Players at that level do not miss easy passes, if the players are open and with a clear passing lane. The idea that passes should be going wide all the time is just not realistic to NHL hockey (this is more pee wee style). Usually the reason for missed passes are the opposition puts themselves into go position to deflect and intercept passes, that is what creates that loose puck, turn over game. So that is why I choose to set my sliders the way the are, to better reflect pro hockey. I want loose pucks to be a result of good defence and not just poor passing.

                        Try this adjustment and let me know how it plays out for you.
                        Last edited by drog1602; 12-26-2012, 02:14 PM.

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                        • drog1602
                          Rookie
                          • Sep 2011
                          • 400

                          #13
                          Re: A few things you can do to make the game better

                          I also forgot one of the biggest things you can do to make the game better:

                          Set up your custom Ai ( though you can only load opposition "custom Ai" in season mode or play now using the option of making all human controlled teams and then before the game set the custom Ai option for the other team.
                          EA made a huge mistake in missing this in BeAGM ( as you can only load your team custom Ai)

                          Here is what I use
                          - I leave the team strategies as they are set for each team
                          - Max out the NZ slider for each team, this makes it so that they forecheck more

                          Line 1
                          Carry /Dump- 9
                          Cycle/Shoot - 4
                          Efficiency -10
                          Block - 5

                          Line 2
                          Carry /Dump- 9
                          Cycle/Shoot - 4
                          Efficiency -10
                          Block - 6

                          Line 3
                          Carry /Dump- 10
                          Cycle/Shoot - 5
                          Efficiency -10
                          Block - 8

                          Line 4
                          Carry /Dump- 10
                          Cycle/Shoot - 8
                          Efficiency -10
                          Block - 10

                          Def Pair 1
                          Hold/Pinch - 9
                          Cycle/Shoot - 5

                          Def Pair 2
                          Hold/Pinch - 8
                          Cycle/Shoot - 5

                          Def Pair 3
                          Hold/Pinch - 7
                          Cycle/Shoot - 6

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                          • Cycloniac
                            Man, myth, legend.
                            • May 2009
                            • 6508

                            #14
                            Re: A few things you can do to make the game better

                            Gonna plug those passing sliders into my set now and run through a play now game, will post feedback.
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                            • Cycloniac
                              Man, myth, legend.
                              • May 2009
                              • 6508

                              #15
                              Re: A few things you can do to make the game better

                              I like the pssing sliders. Contrary to what one would believe, it's not an arcade feel at all. Players passing skills clearly differ. You'll deffiately be more careful when passing on the rush with Giroux, when compared to someone like Jody Shelley.

                              On the AI side, players do miss the passes they should. By lowering saucer pass speed, they're harder to receive for sure when they're passed across the ice.

                              On the powerplay and in the offensive zone, you deffinately feel like you're in control of professioals. In contrast, if you're up against a solid defense, you won't be able to consistantly set up plays as you'd like.

                              I'll be using these passing slider tweaks going forward.
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