Pump fakes getting blocked???

[TalenT]

Ok I can't be the only one that has noticed this, but it's gotten unbearable to me....especially since I like to go in the post. Has anybody noticed pump fakes being blocked at an extremely high rate? And I'm not talking about legit rejections. I'm sayin' elbow, shoulder, ARMPIT blocks. This has got to stop! And I don't wanna hear that "live ball" BS because there's several instances where the ball goes through people in other situations.

[michael785]

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u playing 2k12?

[TalenT]

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u playing 2k12?

Nope, 2k13. Sorry, forgot to mention that.

[Streaky McFloorburn]

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Ok I can't be the only one that has noticed this, but it's gotten unbearable to me....especially since I like to go in the post. Has anybody noticed pump fakes being blocked at an extremely high rate? And I'm not talking about legit rejections. I'm sayin' elbow, shoulder, ARMPIT blocks. This has got to stop! And I don't wanna hear that "live ball" BS because there's several instances where the ball goes through people in other situations.

Live ball or no, if the ball hits something, shouldn't it be affected by that? You'd rather have MORE situations where it passes through stuff?

There's a reason why players spend much of their time in the post with their backs to the defender; it's to protect the ball. Face-up pump fakes in the post should be extremely high-risk because the defender is right up on you, unless you used the lean back or clear space moves immediately prior to facing up. If your back is to the defender, then your shot should be a hook, turnaround, or stepback, and you should be using more shimmies than pump fakes to set those up.

Use the proper post moves for the situation, and I think you won't see any more "blocked" pump fakes.

[EasyOnTheIcePlease]

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It's not just post moves that have pump fakes get blocked, it's pump fakes in general. I think it needs addressing.

Someone mentioned that this might have been implemented into the game in response to the pump fake spammers from previous 2K titles, I'm agreeing with an additional notion they added, in which 2KSports went far too extreme with it.

If you secure an offensive rebound in a crowd, and go for a pump fake before trying to score, you may just lose the ball, and not off of a steal either.

[TalenT]

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Live ball or no, if the ball hits something, shouldn't it be affected by that? You'd rather have MORE situations where it passes through stuff?

There's a reason why players spend much of their time in the post with their backs to the defender; it's to protect the ball. Face-up pump fakes in the post should be extremely high-risk because the defender is right up on you, unless you used the lean back or clear space moves immediately prior to facing up. If your back is to the defender, then your shot should be a hook, turnaround, or stepback, and you should be using more shimmies than pump fakes to set those up.

Use the proper post moves for the situation, and I think you won't see any more "blocked" pump fakes.

I see what you're trying to say, but it's not JUST in the post. I just said it's annoying because I go into the post a lot. I think you'd agree with me that a pump fake's purpose is to get the defender leaning or off of his feet. What good is it if you get them to jump and they block it with their thigh? Again, I understand what you're saying but this is not a free ball. The ball is in my hand. It should take more than a player "brushing" against the ball to jar it loose.

It's not just post moves that have pump fakes get blocked, it's pump fakes in general. I think it needs addressing.

Someone mentioned that this might have been implemented into the game in response to the pump fake spammers from previous 2K titles, I'm agreeing with an additional notion they added, in which 2KSports went far too extreme with it.

If you secure an offensive rebound in a crowd, and go for a pump fake before trying to score, you may just lose the ball, and not off of a steal either.

Exactly what I was trying to say...it happens all over the court. More so in close quarters and I love the post. I agree w/ trying to fix the pump fake spam but I don't think this is the way. How about a downward swipe at the ball during the many pump fakes that smacks it loose ala Karl Malone? That might work.

[Streaky McFloorburn]

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It's not just post moves that have pump fakes get blocked, it's pump fakes in general. I think it needs addressing.

Someone mentioned that this might have been implemented into the game in response to the pump fake spammers from previous 2K titles, I'm agreeing with an additional notion they added, in which 2KSports went far too extreme with it.

If you secure an offensive rebound in a crowd, and go for a pump fake before trying to score, you may just lose the ball, and not off of a steal either.

But again, that's all about spacing/timing - as it should be. Using the correct move at the correct time is your responsibility.

The situation you describe happens regularly IRL, and every time someone has posted a video to show "evidence" that 2k should change this; it has instead revealed 100% user error by any realistic basketball standard.

If you are exposing the ball in any situation where the defender can touch some body part to it (or running the ball into them yourself), how can it be unreasonable that the ball then hits said body part and is knocked loose?

[Streaky McFloorburn]

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I see what you're trying to say, but it's not JUST in the post. I just said it's annoying because I go into the post a lot. I think you'd agree with me that a pump fake's purpose is to get the defender leaning or off of his feet. What good is it if you get them to jump and they block it with their thigh? Again, I understand what you're saying but this is not a free ball. The ball is in my hand. It should take more than a player "brushing" against the ball to jar it loose .

Having the ball in a shooting motion is not exactly a tight grip. I have been pump-faked off my feet IRL and still stripped the ball on the way down, or brushed against it and knocked it loose if the shooter didn't move the right way to take advantage. I am not just trying to play devil's advocate here. The game is telling you that you're using pump fakes in the wrong situation, or the wrong move following the fake.

There are many 2k players, myself included, that do not have issues with it (and never had their shot blocked by an armpit in 2k12 either). I wouldn't bother disputing your gripe if I didn't feel very strongly that you could learn to avoid these situations completely, and that any likely change made by 2k would dumb down the gameplay in a harmful way.

[DrX]

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yeah and i hate it....its another aspect of the game that favor cheesers

[_-King-_]

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I've noticed it, and I think it's fair. My only problem is that I think it should be considered a steal instead of a block.

[TalenT]

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Having the ball in a shooting motion is not exactly a tight grip. I have been pump-faked off my feet IRL and still stripped the ball on the way down, or brushed against it and knocked it loose if the shooter didn't move the right way to take advantage. I am not just trying to play devil's advocate here. The game is telling you that you're using pump fakes in the wrong situation, or the wrong move following the fake.

There are many 2k players, myself included, that do not have issues with it (and never had their shot blocked by an armpit in 2k12 either). I wouldn't bother disputing your gripe if I didn't feel very strongly that you could learn to avoid these situations completely, and that any likely change made by 2k would dumb down the gameplay in a harmful way.

Dude, you're totally missing my point. This is not a swipe down animation. He is in the air for the block and a part of his body "just so happens" to "touch" the ball. The ball should not go flyin' out of my hands. If you've had it happen to you there's no way you can justify it. It even LOOKS ridiculous. And by your assumption that "it can be avoided"...I know when to pump fake boss...it just shouldn't happen in the manner it is happening.

[Streaky McFloorburn]

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Dude, you're totally missing my point. This is not a swipe down animation. He is in the air for the block and a part of his body "just so happens" to "touch" the ball. The ball should not go flyin' out of my hands. If you've had it happen to you there's no way you can justify it. It even LOOKS ridiculous. And by your assumption that "it can be avoided"...I know when to pump fake boss...it just shouldn't happen in the manner it is happening.

Nothing missed, the second part of my example addressed exactly what you said. I'm sorry, I haven't experienced it in 2k13, which is why I suggested (especially if it happens regularly to you) that some type of adjustment needs to made on your part.

If it really looks ridiculous as you stated, post a video and let the forum be the judge. If the hem of the defender's shorts, or some billowing fabric in his jersey sends the ball rocketing out of your hands, that's certainly an issue - but if some relatively firm part of the body brushes it, and it comes loose at a speed commensurate to the speed he was moving, that should be acceptable.

Just to clarify: if you're asking in any way, shape, or form that the ball should be immovable while it's in your hands, except for specific inputs designed to dislodge it - you are asking for the game to be less organic & realistic. I didn't mean to assume that you want that, but everyone before you who complained about this issue seemed to, and that's where I get concerned that people are going to get the wrong things "fixed" by complaining about problems they can solve on their own.

[Greekcian]

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It frustrates me because I pump maybe 3/4 times a game and 3 of em now suddenly end in a "block". The situation in which I use the pump? Mostly after a pass for a 3 or long two, the defender bites and thus gets rewarded for bad D...

[SPRINGS03]

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The problem is 2k's ball physics are terrible and they overdid it. The ball is hyper reactive to everything in certain situations. There are times where somebodys elbow bumps the ball and it knocks it loose. That doesn't happen in real life, things may contact the ball, but not everything knocks it loose. 2k doesn't seemt o understand that.

[Bluejaysfan65]

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I've noticed it, and I think it's fair. My only problem is that I think it should be considered a steal instead of a block.

Yeah. That's what I was thinking. It shouldn't be counted as a block. It should be categorized as a steal...